Thread: More than 31,000 scientists don't buy it!!

The subject of global warming is likely getting old around here, but I had to share this:http://www.petitionproject.org/

Check out the summary of peer reviewed research if your not to bored with the subject already!

Its good to here about things like this as I prepare for bed on a night when they are suggesting the possibility of localized frost on the weekend I planed to put my garden in.

I've gotten into this argument soo many times, it's not even fun. Most of the time in these arguments, I argue human intervention is not the cause of global warming, and I've always been ridiculed. There's actually been 1 argument (the most recent), where I wasn't ridiculed for the side I supported. I've reviewed evidence from both sides of the argument, and I've concluded that there wasn't enough solid evidence supporting the theory that human intervention is the cause of global warming. The evidence that is present is pretty weak. However, even though we may or may not be the cause of global warming one thing remains constant: taking actions to reverse or fix previous actions is harder than taking preventative action.

My friends also bother me about my recycling habits. Unlike my friends, I actually looked into the recycling process to see how effective it is. Most of my friends do it simply because everybody, by everybody I mean the media, is saying that it's really good. But according to the evidence, the system we employed actually causes more pollution (transporting the recyclables and chemicals used to clean the materials). I've concluded that at the current time, only aluminium is the only material that can be recylced the way we recycle. On top of that, I try to minimize the use of paper and plastic in favor of more re-usable materials that use less natural resources such as metals and electrons (software). Glass is something that I actually try to re-use, and I rarely use it.

That's only my current stance. As new technologies move in to replace the old ones, it may change. For example, electricity may be used to remove ink from paper instead of the currently harmful chemicals. This would make recycling paper eco-friendly enough to actually consider recycling paper a useful process which doesn't harm the environment. We've also recently isolated two important bacterias: one that degrades plastic, and a bacteria that reproduces with the other bacteria. This allows us to completely get rid of plastic recycling (it actually doesn't get recycled, it's put in clothes and shoelaces), but it won't solve the issue of using a lot of resources to make plastic.

Personally I don't care if we caused it or not.

As for whether or not it's happening I think it is from what I've read. The requirements to be included in that list of scientists is a B.S. (Bahchelor of Science.) Several of my friends have one in CIS, Management, Business and the like. I wouldn't trust them either on this matter.

As a boyscout I was taught to clean up more of a mess than I made, I just try and do that with my pollution as well.

Originally Posted by Nickelking

Personally I don't care if we caused it or not.

As for whether or not it's happening I think it is from what I've read. The requirements to be included in that list of scientists is a B.S. (Bahchelor of Science.) Several of my friends have one in CIS, Management, Business and the like. I wouldn't trust them either on this matter.

As a boyscout I was taught to clean up more of a mess than I made, I just try and do that with my pollution as well.

Good point! I mean, take for instance all the scientists trying to convince us, without a shred of real evidence, that CO2 is bad for the earth!

But things like coral bleaching, thinning ice caps, etc are decidedly bad for the earth. At least the earth as we know it. And I'd like to preserve that earth.

Originally Posted by Nickelking

But things like coral bleaching, thinning ice caps, etc are decidedly bad for the earth. At least the earth as we know it. And I'd like to preserve that earth.

As far as thinning ice caps, recent studies suggest that this is not happening, but you will have to explain coral bleaching as this is a new one on me.

I find it interesting, that the whistle has (again) been blown on the Inconvenient Truth movie; a scene supposedly depicting large portions of the Antarctic ice shelf falling into the ocean was recognized as footage lifted from the fictional movie "The Day After Tomorrow".
Ahh well.
Just wanted to throw in, my younger sister is a scientist, in a different field, should be completing her PhD this year. From what I can tell, most of the researchers right now only have bachelors and perhaps masters degrees, and are working for someone who has the PhD. Often, the work is done in conjunction with a college or university.
I remember going to her lab once and seeing DNA sequencers and million-dollar Sun Microsystems workstations, that sort of thing and going..."Wow."
And she seems to think *my* job is cool.
GO figure.

Anyway, I agree with many of the posters on this thread. I think there is much politics behind the global warming scare but not as much science. This, however, we've discussed before.


John P.

and yet more of the arctic cap is gone every year in photographs taken on the same date. Coral bleaching the death of coral reefs due to the death of the coral.

Bust as JohnP said, this has beeh hashed to death, we all know how we stand and I doubt anything will change.