Thread: Progress in Iraq - Oh no!

Progress in Iraq...and What To Do About It - Joe Klein


Wow... Joe Klein is admitting that progress is being made in Iraq, even if he does attribute the success of the peace in Basra and Sadr City to... IRAN

What do you think?

Progress in Iraq? Heresy I tell you!

pssh. the Iraq war is SO last year. all the cool kids are talking about the war with Iran.

I think we should be ashamed of our leaders and at our ambition to NOT WIN in Iraq. If we had Osama as our President the war would have been over long ago.

So sad that we even focus our efforts and attention on war. What are we Romans?

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Progress in Iraq...and What To Do About It - Joe Klein


Wow... Joe Klein is admitting that progress is being made in Iraq, even if he does attribute the success of the peace in Basra and Sadr City to... IRAN

What do you think?

Progress regardless of the reason is progress, which is better than what we've been having.

However I still fail to see how we'll prevent the violence that will happen when we leave.

Progress in Iraq is a joke...Iraqi's do not want us there = no progress no matter what you try.

The "war" is long over. Time to get the military home.

Originally Posted by Nickelking

Progress regardless of the reason is progress, which is better than what we've been having.

However I still fail to see how we'll prevent the violence that will happen when we leave.

I have to agree. I have conflicting feelings... part of me wants them to come home, but part of me wants to make sure it's stable enough that the people over there get to keep their freedom. At the same time, if they're not willing to embrace their own freedom and defend it, especially after we leave, maybe they do not deserve to have it.

I personally know some families who are here right now from that area, and they are very thankful that the US came to help. I think we did a good thing, but I think it's time to give back what we liberated. Our presence over there is a source for much of the violence anyways, as our soldiers are huge targets while they are basically just on patrol missions.

I can't speak for everyone, but I think it's ridiculous that credit is being given to a nation which still shoots (or stones to death) its women for "transgressions" which wouldn't warrant a nod in the rest of the world-for causing "peace".
Some people hate their own country so much they cannot conceive that it is doing something right. They wish to give the enemy credit for anything magnanimous that is done, they believe every enemy is a "freedom fighter" even though many of the "freedom fighters" aren't even from the country they are fighting in (lot of blue-eyed, white "insurgents" have been captured) and in this particular case, I think there is a certain amount of racism displayed by many against the Iraqis.
Perhaps "racism" isn't the right word, but many seem to want to see Iraqis as unable to fend for themselves, as somehow unable to fight or hold their own. Nice we can judge them from our armchairs. Many of the bad guys being captured now-are being captured by Iraqi special forces as much as any of ours.
I think it says something about the mindset of the people there and the quality of the Iraqis joining up (yes they are on OUR side...there are some who are not, but these are the minority. Even L.A. has a bad side of town).
How many recruits do we think OUR countries would have-willing to go sign up KNOWING it means likely combat-when busloads of recruits have been found shot in the head on the way to sign up....?
I think the surge and the support for their fledgling government is a good move, and to back out now before they are ready would just mean we did the dirty work only to hand over the success to another country which is not even remotely an ally. Not to mention, it would send a message to Iraqis that "Just kidding....again, we don't believe in you". Much as we did after the first gulf war, when we let Saddam's helicopters mow people down after we promised up until the last we would support their rebellion.
It is hard to regain trust after a huge betrayal.
Perhaps others would disagree but as one of the guys who's been there and will be back again,
Success is the only option.
The people who say we are losing almost always either 1)haven't been there and are making assumptions based on the media outlets of their choice or 2) have a vested political interest in it, e.g. it rolls into the "hate Republicans/hate Bush/hate Americans/etc etc doctrine.
We aren't even remotely suffering, and talk of quitting makes me wonder about the mettle our people are made of.
SO much for Rosie the Riveter, I guess.

sorry for the rant folks.

John P.

Originally Posted by JohnP

I can't speak for everyone, but I think it's ridiculous that credit is being given to a nation which still shoots (or stones to death) its women for "transgressions" which wouldn't warrant a nod in the rest of the world-for causing "peace".
Some people hate their own country so much they cannot conceive that it is doing something right. They wish to give the enemy credit for anything magnanimous that is done, they believe every enemy is a "freedom fighter" even though many of the "freedom fighters" aren't even from the country they are fighting in (lot of blue-eyed, white "insurgents" have been captured) and in this particular case, I think there is a certain amount of racism displayed by many against the Iraqis.
Perhaps "racism" isn't the right word, but many seem to want to see Iraqis as unable to fend for themselves, as somehow unable to fight or hold their own. Nice we can judge them from our armchairs. Many of the bad guys being captured now-are being captured by Iraqi special forces as much as any of ours.
I think it says something about the mindset of the people there and the quality of the Iraqis joining up (yes they are on OUR side...there are some who are not, but these are the minority. Even L.A. has a bad side of town).
How many recruits do we think OUR countries would have-willing to go sign up KNOWING it means likely combat-when busloads of recruits have been found shot in the head on the way to sign up....?
I think the surge and the support for their fledgling government is a good move, and to back out now before they are ready would just mean we did the dirty work only to hand over the success to another country which is not even remotely an ally. Not to mention, it would send a message to Iraqis that "Just kidding....again, we don't believe in you". Much as we did after the first gulf war, when we let Saddam's helicopters mow people down after we promised up until the last we would support their rebellion.
It is hard to regain trust after a huge betrayal.
Perhaps others would disagree but as one of the guys who's been there and will be back again,
Success is the only option.
The people who say we are losing almost always either 1)haven't been there and are making assumptions based on the media outlets of their choice or 2) have a vested political interest in it, e.g. it rolls into the "hate Republicans/hate Bush/hate Americans/etc etc doctrine.
We aren't even remotely suffering, and talk of quitting makes me wonder about the mettle our people are made of.
SO much for Rosie the Riveter, I guess.

sorry for the rant folks.

John P.

You bastard! Why did you have to leave San Diego before I got the chance to meet you anyways?

Way to go Don Quixote! I would be proud to count you among my friends!