Thread: Supreme Court finds individual right to own guns

"...why is registration and training so onerous?"

Pudu


Registration is repugnant to law abiding citizens, because once data is in the hands of the Guv'mint, it NEVER goes away! Now that may be just peachy, RIGHT NOW. But can you gaurantee me that a totalitarian regime won't take this country over? The gun registration information in the wrong hands will lead to confiscation. Just as it did in New Orleans a few years ago. It's the old "What they don't know, won't hurt me" scenario.
There is an organization called Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO for short) that declares that registration always leads to genocide.
http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#dgc
I cannot argue with them, they seem to have all their ducks in a row!

I don't think a responsible gun owner will balk at training. I never have. It's FORCED training, required by the Government that rankles Americans. Or training that's required BEFORE you are deemed "Worthy" to buy a gun. If that was enacted, it wouldn't be long before we would all hear, "You were SO close, but you didn't pass the test...Sorry."

I am pretty Libertarian in my views. I believe that the very least amount of Government you can possibly get by with, is EXACTLY what you want! Hey...wait a minute, that's what the men who started this country thought too.

Regards,

Jeeter

jeeter-> agree. what Nagin did to those unfortunate people is a first class example of how a government can abuse a registry to oppress (illegally, I might add) the citizenry.

everyone, please take note: Nagin's actions did NOT affect people who owned guns illegally. only legal owners had their guns STOLEN (and in many cases destroyed) and never returned. I honestly hope Nagin swings for that, it's downright treasonous.

Jockeys,

I saw some photos of those confiscated guns a few months ago. They had been thrown into plastic garbage cans and locked up in an outside storage facility. The ones that the 'police' hadn't damaged beyond repair, were rusted to the point they couldn't be used again.
Many Citizens upon whom this atrocity was perpetrated, claimed the cops, in many cases, swung the cylinder out, (on revolvers) placed the guns on the sidewalk and stomped the trigger guard. That springs the crane and frame, the gun is pretty well trashed at that point.
IMHO, the individual cops ought to have to pay to replace the guns they CHOSE to damage, PLUS a hefty punative settlement. These actions (Nagin's call) were the worst case of abuse of the Citizenry, by public officials, that I have ever seen, or heard of!
Maybe he was so busy confiscatng guns that he couldn't be bothered to get the 2,000 School Buses out of harm's way. Just a thought.

Regards,

Jeeter

Originally Posted by Brother Jeeter

Jockeys,

I saw some photos of those confiscated guns a few months ago. They had been thrown into plastic garbage cans and locked up in an outside storage facility. The ones that the 'police' hadn't damaged beyond repair, were rusted to the point they couldn't be used again.
Many Citizens upon whom this atrocity was perpetrated, claimed the cops, in many cases, swung the cylinder out, (on revolvers) placed the guns on the sidewalk and stomped the tribber guard. That springs the crane and frame, the gun is pretty well trashed at that point.
IMHO, the individual cops ought to have to pay to replace the guns they CHOSE to damage, PLUS a hefty punative settlement. These actions (Nagin's call) were the worst case of abuse of the Citizenry, by public officials, that I have ever seen, or heard of!
Maybe he was so busy confiscatng guns that he couldn't be bothered to get the 2,000 School Buses out of harm's way. Just a thought.

Regards,

Jeeter

I think I'll stock up on ammunition!

By way of clarification, I am not accusing Nagin of telling police officers to destroy guns. I understand he ordered the guns confiscated. I suppose at that point the cops were on their own, to carry out the orders as they saw fit.

Originally Posted by Pudu

It is obviously a regional issue. I suspect the gun crime rate in Wyoming is not the problem that it is on the east coast. Shouldn't cities affected by the problem be allowed to address it in this manner. Starting in 1993, when the Brady law went into effect gun crime stats decreased every year. There are solutions to these problems as long as it is approached in good faith and with a reasonable attitude by everyone - as an example, in my opinion it would be silly for anyone with military experience using firearms to take more training when purchasing their own weapon.

I would really like to know where you've heard that...
I live in an area where Gang violence has been on a steady rise. California has the strictest gun ownership laws, They limit our gun ownership in every way they can imagine, and at every opportunity. Yet violent crime has steadily risen.
SanFrancisco a city with out guns if you believe the hype has gun violence on a nightly basis. In fact The city of San Francisco is responsible for a full 10% of the State of California's prison population.
Los Angeles Where they are allowed to have guns is responsible for less than 5%
Why the disparity?

I will agree that having a waiting period can stop some spur of the moment impulse crime. But that accounts for a very small amount of gun crime.
Also, most gun crimes are comitted with illegal or stolen weapons.

If you want to slow down gun crime, take measures to prevent gun theft. Instead of limiting our guns, pass a bill to help families buy large gun safes.
It's pretty hard to steal a 700 pound gun safe... Ours weighs 500 empty, and is bolted to the foundation of our house.
Better yet, pass a bill that will allow anyone who is not a convicted felon to carry a personal defense handgun concealed on their person.

"I think I'll stock up on ammunition!"

JMS


That's not a bad idea!
I once read an interesting little poem, that went:

"There aren't many problems a man can't fix
with seven hundres dollars and a thutty-ought-six."

HOWEVER, that was a few years back. It'd probably take a few dollars more, now.

I remember reading that burglaries would increase when Kennesaw, GA passed a requirement that all homes/households have a firearm (over 20 years ago?). Burglaries went dramatically down.

Car-jackings were just coming into vogue when my state was forced in court to finally begin issuing concealed-carry permits to any reasonable person who was not "un-qualified". The predictions of "vigilantes in the streets" has not become a problem. Car-jackings have been severely reduced (yes, several car-jackers, armed ones, were subsequently killed and badly injured). Our local news frequently carries stories of armed citizens who have stopped crimes in progress. I'd bet that a week (or day) doesn't go by without such a report. I live on the outskirts of a big city.

In the words of a wonderful old science-fiction writer:
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
Robert A. Heinlein

Here's some "Kennesaw" humor to lighten the mood...

Originally Posted by Sticky

In the words of a wonderful old science-fiction writer:
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
Robert A. Heinlein

From Beyond This Horizon, right?

Great book and great commentary on social engineering.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

From Beyond This Horizon, right?

Great book and great commentary on social engineering.

Right you are.