Thread: Supreme Court finds individual right to own guns

What is the rate of violent crime in the U.S. vs. comparable nations (comparable in industrialization, education, etc.)? U.K.? Germany? Canada?

What is the rate of violent crime in NYC vs., say, Miami? Houston? Dallas? The rate compared to Wyoming is irrelevant. People there don't live close enough to each other, and they don't have the poverty pockets.

I'm on your side, people, but if we don't deal with these issues, we're all SOL. Time to get our heads out of the sand. It's not a Supreme Court issue, if most of our compatriots want to take away our rights. Some demagogue politician (or is that redundant) will lead a crusade and we'll be turning them in.

j

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

What is the rate of violent crime in the U.S. vs. comparable nations (comparable in industrialization, education, etc.)? U.K.? Germany? Canada?


j

This is apples and oranges, as there are to many other factors such as culture, or other laws that you can't compare simple violent crime per capita and in any way equate it to guns.

You can compare time trends before and after certain events like laws being passed as the study Brother Jeeter quotes from. if you do you find that in every case when a more restrictive gun law is passed gun crime may decrease but all other categories of violent crime increase and when you de-regulate firearms ALL categories of crime decrease. This is why guns are called the great equalizer, grandma can defend herself with one as competently as her hulking 21 year old descendant, this is the only weapon for which this is true.

"American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)"

So these statistics are irrelevant?

Hate to tell you, people, but as long as a majority of Americans believe that these statistics are relevant -- and I find it hard to convince myself that they're meaningless -- we have a big problem.

Again, I'm on your side. Wake up.

j

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

"American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)"

So these statistics are irrelevant?

Hate to tell you, people, but as long as a majority of Americans believe that these statistics are relevant -- and I find it hard to convince myself that they're meaningless -- we have a big problem.

Again, I'm on your side. Wake up.

j

actually, the statistics you quote include teen suicides by gun, which I don't think counts as "accidents" or "murders" fwiw

Originally Posted by jockeys

actually, the statistics you quote include teen suicides by gun, which I don't think counts as "accidents" or "murders" fwiw

Oh, well then! Never mind!

j

do I detect a hint of sarcasm?

Originally Posted by jockeys

do I detect a hint of sarcasm?

Yeah, sorry. My dark side, I suppose.

I get tired of arguing about this while my rights slip away. Don't get me started on the NRA. They represent gun manufacturers, not owners. They don't give a damn if my grandson inherits my favorite octagon barrel, as long as second quarter 08 is up over a year ago.

A propos of your statistic: between 1/4 and 1/3 of the child deaths I cite are attributable to suicide. That still leaves a whole lot.

j