Thread: Supreme Court finds individual right to own guns

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

It makes one wonder what sort of war crimes Bush and his cronies have committed that so many liberals are clamoring about

Who are these liberals? I don't know any. Do they have covert cells? Passwords? Secret handshakes and decoder rings?

They sure must be awful people, though, with all the rotten stuff they do. What is it that they believe that makes them so horrible?

j

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

Who are these liberals? I don't know any. Do they have covert cells? Passwords? Secret handshakes and decoder rings?

They sure must be awful people, though, with all the rotten stuff they do. What is it that they believe that makes them so horrible?

j

I guess I'll do some research for you- This is from democrats.com of all places: "Prosecute George Bush and Dick Cheney for War Crimes" http://archive.democrats.com/elandsl...aign=warcrimes

Originally Posted by Nickelking

Habeas Corpus - Latin for "You have the body." Most often, a writ of habeas corpus is a judicial order forcing law enforcement authorities to produce a prisoner they are holding, and to justify the prisoner's continued confinement. A petition for a writ of habeas corpus often is filed in federal courts by state prison inmates who say their state prosecutions violated federally protected rights in some way.

They all got habeas corpus.

Not really. They didn’t have the right to challenge their detention, nor request habeas corpus

I guess it's just a semantic difference then.

Originally Posted by Nickelking

I guess it's just a semantic difference then.

Well, to me the big questions is, would Osama and his terror junkies in Gitmo have the right to say, "hey we want you to be able to prove that we deserve to be here. Maybe we can get the whole case tossed out on a technicality, that would be great. That way we can come back and blow up your court later"

To me the debate is whether or not people captured in the way that they are have that right

It's been a fundamental human right for 750 years (ish?) And remember not all of these folks were dug out of caves in afghanistan.

Originally Posted by Nickelking

It's been a fundamental human right for 750 years (ish?) And remember not all of these folks were dug out of caves in afghanistan.

There will have to be another amendment to the Constitution if the US government wants to acknowledge it as a human right that can never be taken away from anyone. I understand that doesn't make it right or wrong, but that is the will of the people of the U.S. and it has been part of the U.S. federal government since its foundation.

"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it"

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

There will have to be another amendment to the Constitution if the US government wants to acknowledge it as a human right that can never be taken away from anyone. I understand that doesn't make it right or wrong, but that is the will of the people of the U.S. and it has been part of the U.S. federal government since its foundation.

"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it"

Touche! I'd forgotten that. I personally feel that if we don't have enough evidence to keep them there we shouldn't.

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it"

Rebellions happen from within, and there isn't an invasion.

And what about the people who got abducted in other countries, like in Germany?
guy gets flown to gitmo, stays there for a couple of years, gets tossed out eventually without an apology, but with a threat to shut his mouth 'or else' and that's it.

You cannot just go around, imprisoning anyone at will without at least probable cause and trying to prove guilt. An even then, there are procedures to follow. The CIA operative involved are now wanted men in Europe because what they did was illegal. Too bad they were already gone.
I can just see Bush saying 'How dare you arrest our men for breaking the law?'

Without check and balances what's to prevent them from detaining anyone who is 'inconvenient'?
It HAS happened before. Either prove someone guilty, or let them go.

Originally Posted by Nickelking

It's been a fundamental human right for 750 years (ish?) And remember not all of these folks were dug out of caves in afghanistan.

what happened 750 years ago? magna carta? I'm not so good with history, please help me understand [confused]

Originally Posted by jockeys

what happened 750 years ago? magna carta? I'm not so good with history, please help me understand [confused]

Yep magna carta. (and I checked, it was in 1215.)