Thread: Taxes?

Originally Posted by ScottS

They're given the choice of where they want to locate, just like any business. If they don't feel the environment they have is worth the taxes they pay, they're free to find something better. Isn't this consistent with the libertarian "supply-and demand should rule all" outlook?

currently, America seems to be the least-worst choice. But still short of perfection. As good as it is, you sure don't hear me not complaining!

To Nord Jim: We gradually got into the mess, we'll have to gradually dig ourselves out one shovel ful at a time, this would give the people, the government and the economy the time to adjust. I'm not saying it would be easy, but I believe it would be necessary. Previous to the Fed reserve/IRS politicians had to ask us if they could have more of our money, now they dont. The 16th Amendment turned the servant into the master.

Originally Posted by JMS

I think he gave one earlier that you supposedly examined!

I did examine it. The site talks of a study done by one man who found certain things, but it didn't point to any verifiable references. It ends by essentially saying "If you don't believe it, feel free to do your own research". This is what I meant by "any whack job can put whatever they want up on the web". In contrast, I pointed to sites that provide actual case numbers where courts, including the Supreme Court, say the notion that the Amendment is not the law of the land is just silly. In fairness, I didn't follow up to make sure that those cases aren't just made up, but I'm sure somebody with enough resources and determination could verify the case law.

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

I got it from a government website, I am looking for it again - it supports your argument... did you read it?

Oops, sorry. Lost track of who was saying what!

so what about arron russo's documentary on the federal reserve and our taxes called freedom to fascism. You can watch it free on google here:

freedom to fascism - Google Video=#

so if 100% of our income taxes go's to a private bank that gives none of it to our goverment and keeps it all. How is any form of taxation fair, honest, or will ever do anything but bankrupt our goverment, and people. If this documentary is correct then I'm sorry guy's there is no system that will ever be fair, or beneficially to us or the goverment.

The only way to fix the problem would to be as ron paul says, scrap the entire program and start over. Or just actually use our constitution on taxation and give the power to print and coin money back to the us treasury department.

As to the 16th amendment it's been beat to death and agreed that is was passed. But the supreme court did rule that it gave the goverment no new form of taxation. It was then the slick idea of everyone to start saying that income was also salary so they could tax your salary as income when they had not before. Income is not your salary earned from labor but is taxable as such if you run a business or such. No powers of taxation have ever been passed on the individual just corporations and small business.

According to the dictionary icome is as follows:

1.the monetary payment received for goods or services, or from other sources, as rents or investments. 2.something that comes in as an addition or increase, esp. by chance. 3.Archaic. a coming in.

So according to the constition your salary is not legally taxable. It is voluntary until you stop paying then you go to jail for not volunteering to pay income taxes.

If this is wrong please correct me. I really wouldn't mind paying income taxes if went back to our goverment as everyone believes it does. But when it goes to line the pockets of a few wealthy individuals at the expense of my goverment and nation then I got a problem. I still pay them begrudingly until I no longer have to.

So please if this documentary is wrong I would really like to see the information that disputes it. If it's true then there is no form of income taxation that is going to work.

Originally Posted by ScottS

Where is your quote from?? Any whack job can post anything they want on the web. A bit of citation info goes a long way here.

I didn't quote anything from the researcher's website, I only provided the link. The first quotation was the 16th amendment itself, and the second quotation was one of the explanatory paragraphs provided by the US 7th Circuit Court of Appeals regarding their decision in a mid-80's case that threw out the evidence of differently worded amendments that dozens of states ratified rather than the actual wording.

In other words, the Court has seen and acknowledged the evidence that the website that I linked to offers to viewers, but the Court dismissed the significance of that evidence thereby upholding the legality of the 16th amendment

Originally Posted by ScottS

It ends by essentially saying "If you don't believe it, feel free to do your own research". This is what I meant by "any whack job can put whatever they want up on the web".

But both of my quotes were government texts. Just a mis-communication I think

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

I got it from a government website, I am looking for it again - it supports your argument... did you read it?

I can't find the website I pulled that quote from, but I did find that quote again on this website on this webpage which looks at US v. Thomas 1986 7th Circuit Court of Appeals

United States v. Thomas - Tax Protestor Case