Thread: Barack in Berlin

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

This is one of the greatest problems I have with Obama, yes he is a great orator, but what he says has little substance, he talks about hope and change,hope and change, but never a plan of action. He stirs the heart but not the mind.

He can read a speach well, with the best of them. For better or worse, I find most of what he says to be either disagreeable or offensive or both. When forced to speak extemporaneously, he comes across as arrogant and condescending. I find hope in threads like this, one in which others see through the clever ruse and wonder what lurks behind the closely guarded veil.

As an aside, I find it very, very interesting that he claims to be the one who can heal the racial divide in American yet is always talking about his race. He says that he wants to move beyond race and yet it is one of his most consistent talking points.

wait IBTL with one more

I usually don't enter those discussions, as I have a bad temper and they have the property to overheat very quickly...

But what is interesting here is what people form outside of Europe (read USA) think of Europe (as it was one big uniform entity btw)... Europeans are:

1) Stupids: the cannot distinguish between good and bad president and therefore hate bad president and love good president - and if they love a good president, it must be by mistake
2) idiots: the cannot see falsehood that is so evident that a tank could go through it
3) confused: they still are all Socialist
4) altruistic: they give 70% of their salary to their government
5) criminals: they pillaged and raped all the world, from the biggest mountain to the deepest see. They are responsible for everything bad in this world.
6) jealous: the Europeans cannot accept that now the one who are reaping and pillaging are the USA
7) arrogant: the cannot support to be second best
8) selfish: we don't help Africa and care only about ourselves
9) coward: all Europeans gave to Germany during WWII

If we can discuss about 1 and 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 are simply wrong, and quite insulting.
I think there is enough here to ask for the thread to be closed, don't you?

Closed to allow continent / national loyalties cool off.

I'll re-open this for the time being. It will be watched very closely. If it tips towards another us vs. them shouting match, it will be removed from public consumption.

Remember to keep your posts friendly and informative. If you can't say it without condescension or insults, don't say it at all.

Thanks ByronT!

It's nice to see so many people worldwide are interested in US politics, maybe mutual interests can result in something good for a change

Originally Posted by Ockham

But what is interesting here is what people form outside of Europe (read USA) think of Europe (as it was one big uniform entity btw)... Europeans are:

Not thought of in the same ways by all Americans. I for one do NOT think of Europeans in any of the negative ways you've described.

All Americans do NOT think alike just as all PEOPLE do not think alike. My plea to all Europeans: Please do not regard all Americans as fitting the "ugly American" stereotype. We're not all like that.

I also do not normally respond to such political arguments and finger pointing as to whose forefathers allegedly are the most to blame for this or that. For blame, we can go back to our very humanity and as such, point the finger at all of us. It's all innate human error and we're all human.

Chris L

BBSL (back before second lock)

there does seem to be a tendency for the rest of the world to butt in or condemn when we do something that doesn't square with Europe's values system
even people from the same country don't think the same

look at it like country boy vs city boy

if one guy was raised shootin rabbits with his shotgun and hunting hogs with his pit (bull)

and the other

lost a friend in a drive by shooting and was bitten by a mean dog

obviously they will feel differently about the same subject
thing is, it isn't the same subject

if they discuss leash laws, obviously they will differ

if they discuss the owning of firearms, obviously they will differ

fact of the matter is that they may be using the same words but are speaking two different languages
until one lives the life of the other, they will not see things the same

city people tend to think in boundaries and barriers
put the dog on a leash, no WHATEVER allowed, WHATEVER free zone

country folk look at it along the lines of control
control your dog, as long as no one gets rowdy there won't be a problem, take the bull by the horns

most all of the Europeans I've met have been city folk (culture wise)
the main exception would be the Russians.
but the Russians were a little..... um...... they were very Russian.


to understand is to forgive

I think what riles most Americans is there are a lot of other Americans that say "We should be more civilized, like the Europeans". We don't want to be like Europeans anymore than Europeans want to be like Americans. Countries in Europe each have their own distinct problems and should not be lumped together.


I am an American. I believe in God and Country but I do not force my beliefs down others throats in public or otherwise. I respect others opinions as long as they do not try to destroy me for mine. My country has come to the aid of Europe with blood and treasure for the better part of a century. When I go to my grandfathers grave in France, I cry alone but I am proud because he did the right thing in helping when he did. The countries that Barack is visiting are trying to accomplish what? They are making a statement by allowing the huge gatherings of people so that Barack can speak to them, for what purpose? It is seen in this country as an attempt to sway our elections, if we did that in this country we would be verbally taken to task for such obvious pandering, as well we should.


The European countries have more to worry about than the US. I have friends in France and in England and they are worried about the direction of their countries and hope that rest of the civilized world can come together against evil elements that will be in our future.


Take Care,
Richard

[quote=ProfessorChaos!;241344]He can read a speach well, with the best of them. For better or worse, I find most of what he says to be either disagreeable or offensive or both. When forced to speak extemporaneously, he comes across as arrogant and condescending. I find hope in threads like this, one in which others see through the clever ruse and wonder what lurks behind the closely guarded veil.

As an aside, I find it very, very interesting that he claims to be the one who can heal the racial divide in American yet is always talking about his race. He says that he wants to move beyond race and yet it is one of his most consistent talking points.[/quote


He is using race as a tool for pandering, what race is he? His mother is white, his father black. His mother raised him alone, where was his father, and he claims to be black. What kind of man is he to disregard his mother in such a fashion with no loyalty to her. This man would literally sell his mother for a chance!