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07-27-2008, 07:23 PM #11
Let's get back to this precise topic . . .
Has anyones opinion of Obama changed since his "world tour"?
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07-27-2008, 09:11 PM #12
Actually, it doesn't do any such thing. Had Obama had an epiphany on said tour and come to see things my way it is conceivable (in theory) that I would consider supporting him. That I would doubt his sincerity is another question altogether.
I am a registered independent and, in a philosophical sense, socially liberal and economically libertarian. I believe in the smallest possible government, maximum individual freedom. I strongly oppose any government infringement of civil liberties or encroachment of person or property. There is no justification for the coercive state our government has become. Unlike many on the left (and right!), I don't believe that the extreme concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few derives from racial and social inequity but rather from state intervention.
That said, it is up to either party to win my support, this is the essence of campaigning (again in theory). The one who seems to best merit my vote gets it. It is that simple, In fact, there are Democrats I would vote for before McCain. Unfortunately, they are deemed too "conservative" for many in their party. Yet if the Democrats were to nominate a candidate who did not stand against everything I believe defines a proper relationship between a populace and its democratically elected government, I would have no problem voting for a Democrat. I would, however, have a problem with any Democrat or Republican who embarks on a worldwide Coronation Tour before winning the election.
To specifically answer the posted topic, my opinion of Obama went from negative to more negative. For a frame of reference, I am also negative towards McCain, just less negative about him than Obama.
By the way, I was not aware that a person's quotability was determined by their political orientation. A quip is just as insightful, a barb is just as sharp whether it is said by a Democrat, Republican or Soviet. (Stalin had some great quotes as well.)Last edited by ProfessorChaos!; 07-27-2008 at 09:45 PM.
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07-27-2008, 10:19 PM #13
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Thanked: 0I found it refreshing to see an American politician met by cheering, enthusiastic crowds who were waiving American flags instead of burning them in protest. I believe he helped establish himself as someone to whom world leaders can relate.
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07-28-2008, 02:34 AM #14
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Thanked: 79This is the only positive thing I could have seen from his whole tour, however I think it was a big mistake to do so as a *candidate* for Presidency. This would IMHO have been MUCH more of a good idea, and I would have questioned his motives less, had he waited until AFTER he was elected, to do this.
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07-28-2008, 06:00 AM #15
Before this gets locked...
My opinion hasn't changed- just gone down a notch. I didn't like him to begin with, so he was firmly in my negative zone. To me, it's pretty ballsy and presumptuous to go on a world victory lap (c'mon, that's what it was) well before the election. In everyone else's place of work, instead of getting you promoted, that usually gets you fired.
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07-28-2008, 06:58 PM #16
Ok guys, the approach of closing threads is not going to work, and new threads will get the same problems.
So here is what we will do.
We reopen this thread, and let it run its course.
But the discussion will remain on-topic about whether you changed your mind about obama or not, and why.
No potshots at each other about other candidates, communism or anything else that is not relevant.
Failure to do so will result in a 3 day ban.
Uncivil behavior against each other or a mod will get the same result.Til shade is gone, til water is gone, Into the shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath.
To spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the Last Day
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07-28-2008, 09:03 PM #17
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Thanked: 1587Well my opinion of Obama definitely changed. He was all over our news so I got a real good look at him. And guess what I discovered? He looks a *lot* like Commander Lock from the Matrix! Sounds like him too. Lock was one of my least favourite characters from the Matrix, so now I've gone off Obama.
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07-28-2008, 09:15 PM #18
I didn't like him before and I still don't.
Nor do I like McCain and I never did.
This year, I have NO choice.
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07-28-2008, 09:22 PM #19
My opinion of mr obama has not changed, neither has my opinion of mr mc cain, I'll be voting 3rd party this election just as I have for the last several. I may not win, but I will sleep well having done my best, what will keep me awake is the results of what my fellow citizens have done. God Save America!
It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. Twain
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07-28-2008, 10:35 PM #20
I had an extremely high opinion of Mr. Obama before his tour, and as a result of his overwhelmingly stelllar performance, and although I didn't think it was possible to like him more than I did before, I now am completely and totally enamored of the gentleman. He truly is the best choice for our next president.
There's really no debate on this issue. Really.