Thread: Obamas experience?

Originally Posted by Joe Chandler

McCain's been at it 26 years. Obama less than 2. He really should be trying harder. They're not equals. And what stands has Obama taken? What bills has he authored? What committees has he chaired? For that matter, what communities did he "organize"? Are they better? Worse? What did he actually do? Look, I think both candidates are full of crap...they always are. But McCain is a more palatable crapfest than the Manchurian Candidate. And perhaps you're right...maybe Obama didn't refer to himself as "The One"...I don't know. He did, however, refer to himself as a Muslim...it took Stephanopoulos to correct him and put him back on track. Much like Howard the Rtard Dean's "YEEAAAARRGH!!!", this should wreck his candidacy if people are paying attention.

This stuff's all on the record. Look it up.

And as far as referring to himself as a Muslim? Please! It was a misstatement. Shall we "wreck" McCan't candidacy for misstatements? The guy has a public brain fart every other day.

j

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

I'm always amazed at how the same people who discount Joe Biden as a "Washington Insider" also claim that McCain is superior because he's -- wait for it -- a Washington Insider.

It's also easy to discount Obama's experience when you either don't know what it is or don't know what it's about.

Here's a fact: McCain: bottom 1% of his graduating class at Navy (which he got into because of connections)
Obama: Magnum Cum Laude at Harvard Law.

j

I'm not arguing Obama's not smart. It's obvious he is. I don't like his policies; I have no problem with him personally. I have a lot of respect for his oratory, but if he's not experienced, he's not experienced. I don't necessarily find a lack of experience that much of a detriment if a person can learn, but he's touting his experience as a community organizer and senator, and no one (not even him) seems to know, or can define what that is. Given his long-term radical connections (and if you want to deny those, I simply can't help you, as you're willfully blind) with bigots, communists, felons, slumlords, and racists I guess I tend to believe the worst. Community organizer sounds synonymous with communist agitator given those associations. And his time as a senator has been a joke, with lots of "present" or missed votes, no controversial stands of priniciple, no significant legislation or committees chaired...All I'm saying is I don't know enough about him that's provably true. So much of it seems to be smoke and mirrors. Anyhow, given the system we're in, we're all screwed, it's just a matter of degree. I call for bloody revolution to get us back to Constitutional principles, but that's not a popular opinion.

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

This stuff's all on the record. Look it up.

And as far as referring to himself as a Muslim? Please! It was a misstatement. Shall we "wreck" McCan't candidacy for misstatements? The guy has a public brain fart every other day.

j

And if McCain had said it, the press would be all over it like stink on ****. I don't know you...you might be a wonderful guy, despite our differing political opinions, but if you can't see the sickening awful bias in the press, you're profoundly, intentionally myopic.

Originally Posted by Joe Chandler

And if McCain had said it, the press would be all over it like stink on ****. I don't know you...you might be a wonderful guy, despite our differing political opinions, but if you can't see the sickening awful bias in the press, you're profoundly, intentionally myopic.

Examples, please. And be aware that for every example you cite, I'll come up with three from Faux News.

Did you hear the one about the 12,000 miniature flags at the DNC? They were packed up and ready to be shipped to the next event, and some Republican ripped them off and sent them to McCain -- who claimed that Obama had thrown them away. It was all reported, of course, by Fox News's Carl Cameron, who, if you remember, famously had to apologize for making up phony quotes from John Kerry.

If Dan Rather had done that, they'd have crucified him. But Faux? No big. The guy's still there, still doing the same lies and dirty tricks.

j

the removal of Keith Olbermann would go a long way toward balancing the scales I think

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

the removal of Keith Olbermann would go a long way toward balancing the scales I think

You'd have to give me O'Reilly, and then probably throw in Limbaugh and Andy Coulter.

I'm off. You'll have to save the nation by yourselves.

j

Community Organizer Definition:

A manure salesman with a mouth load of samples.

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

Examples, please. And be aware that for every example you cite, I'll come up with three from Faux News.

Did you hear the one about the 12,000 miniature flags at the DNC? They were packed up and ready to be shipped to the next event, and some Republican ripped them off and sent them to McCain -- who claimed that Obama had thrown them away. It was all reported, of course, by Fox News's Carl Cameron, who, if you remember, famously had to apologize for making up phony quotes from John Kerry.

If Dan Rather had done that, they'd have crucified him. But Faux? No big. The guy's still there, still doing the same lies and dirty tricks.

j

Now we're arguing the Theory of Relative Filth when we argue which network is worse. Yes, Fox is biased to the right. As ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, MSNBC, CNN, The New York Times, LA Times, and even the National Enquirer are biased to the left. There is very little true journalism left anymore, which makes it tough to get good info. I'll vote McCain/Palin because, in principle, I agree with the Republican platform, not because I believe any of these peckerwoods will actually do what they say. But I could say the same thing if I were going for Obama. At least McCain says he's not going to raise taxes or try and take my guns (which I cling to, because my life is so friggin bad here in the good ol' U.S.of A) But you're absolutely right about one thing: If a journalist is caught making up stories, they should be terminated, post-haste (and I'm not talking about getting fired...I'm talking about literally terminated).

I'll happily trade you Limbaugh, Coulter, and O'Reilly for Olbermann. Spot me MoveOn.org and it's a deal

Originally Posted by d. m. ellington

Community Organizer Definition:

A manure salesman with a mouth load of samples.

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