Thread: Obamas experience?

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

Obama answered roll call votes 99% of the time in 2006 and 66% of the time in 2007 as his campaign got under way. This session, he has voted in 70 out of 169 roll call votes, and it is conceded that he has made every effort to be present for key votes.

By way of comparison, in that same time period, John McCain was present in 2006 for roll call 91% of the time; in 2007, as his campaign got under way, it dropped to 44% of the time. This session, he has answered roll call 36 out of 169 times.

Spin that.

j

Oh, and by the way, "The One" was first mentioned in a McCain attack ad. Obama never said it.

McCain's been at it 26 years. Obama less than 2. He really should be trying harder. They're not equals. And what stands has Obama taken? What bills has he authored? What committees has he chaired? For that matter, what communities did he "organize"? Are they better? Worse? What did he actually do? Look, I think both candidates are full of crap...they always are. But McCain is a more palatable crapfest than the Manchurian Candidate. And perhaps you're right...maybe Obama didn't refer to himself as "The One"...I don't know. He did, however, refer to himself as a Muslim...it took Stephanopoulos to correct him and put him back on track. Much like Howard the Rtard Dean's "YEEAAAARRGH!!!", this should wreck his candidacy if people are paying attention.

Originally Posted by Joe Chandler

McCain's been at it 26 years. Obama less than 2. He really should be trying harder. They're not equals. And what stands has Obama taken? What bills has he authored? What committees has he chaired? For that matter, what communities did he "organize"? Are they better? Worse? What did he actually do? Look, I think both candidates are full of crap...they always are. But McCain is a more palatable crapfest than the Manchurian Candidate. And perhaps you're right...maybe Obama didn't refer to himself as "The One"...I don't know. He did, however, refer to himself as a Muslim...it took Stephanopoulos to correct him and put him back on track. Much like Howard the Rtard Dean's "YEEAAAARRGH!!!", this should wreck his candidacy if people are paying attention.

This stuff's all on the record. Look it up.

And as far as referring to himself as a Muslim? Please! It was a misstatement. Shall we "wreck" McCan't candidacy for misstatements? The guy has a public brain fart every other day.

j

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

This stuff's all on the record. Look it up.

And as far as referring to himself as a Muslim? Please! It was a misstatement. Shall we "wreck" McCan't candidacy for misstatements? The guy has a public brain fart every other day.

j

And if McCain had said it, the press would be all over it like stink on ****. I don't know you...you might be a wonderful guy, despite our differing political opinions, but if you can't see the sickening awful bias in the press, you're profoundly, intentionally myopic.

Originally Posted by Joe Chandler

And if McCain had said it, the press would be all over it like stink on ****. I don't know you...you might be a wonderful guy, despite our differing political opinions, but if you can't see the sickening awful bias in the press, you're profoundly, intentionally myopic.

Examples, please. And be aware that for every example you cite, I'll come up with three from Faux News.

Did you hear the one about the 12,000 miniature flags at the DNC? They were packed up and ready to be shipped to the next event, and some Republican ripped them off and sent them to McCain -- who claimed that Obama had thrown them away. It was all reported, of course, by Fox News's Carl Cameron, who, if you remember, famously had to apologize for making up phony quotes from John Kerry.

If Dan Rather had done that, they'd have crucified him. But Faux? No big. The guy's still there, still doing the same lies and dirty tricks.

j

the removal of Keith Olbermann would go a long way toward balancing the scales I think

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

the removal of Keith Olbermann would go a long way toward balancing the scales I think

You'd have to give me O'Reilly, and then probably throw in Limbaugh and Andy Coulter.

I'm off. You'll have to save the nation by yourselves.

j

I'll happily trade you Limbaugh, Coulter, and O'Reilly for Olbermann. Spot me MoveOn.org and it's a deal

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

Examples, please. And be aware that for every example you cite, I'll come up with three from Faux News.

Did you hear the one about the 12,000 miniature flags at the DNC? They were packed up and ready to be shipped to the next event, and some Republican ripped them off and sent them to McCain -- who claimed that Obama had thrown them away. It was all reported, of course, by Fox News's Carl Cameron, who, if you remember, famously had to apologize for making up phony quotes from John Kerry.

If Dan Rather had done that, they'd have crucified him. But Faux? No big. The guy's still there, still doing the same lies and dirty tricks.

j

Now we're arguing the Theory of Relative Filth when we argue which network is worse. Yes, Fox is biased to the right. As ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, MSNBC, CNN, The New York Times, LA Times, and even the National Enquirer are biased to the left. There is very little true journalism left anymore, which makes it tough to get good info. I'll vote McCain/Palin because, in principle, I agree with the Republican platform, not because I believe any of these peckerwoods will actually do what they say. But I could say the same thing if I were going for Obama. At least McCain says he's not going to raise taxes or try and take my guns (which I cling to, because my life is so friggin bad here in the good ol' U.S.of A) But you're absolutely right about one thing: If a journalist is caught making up stories, they should be terminated, post-haste (and I'm not talking about getting fired...I'm talking about literally terminated).

Originally Posted by Joe Chandler

Now we're arguing the Theory of Relative Filth when we argue which network is worse. Yes, Fox is biased to the right. As ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, MSNBC, CNN, The New York Times, LA Times, and even the National Enquirer are biased to the left. There is very little true journalism left anymore, which makes it tough to get good info. I'll vote McCain/Palin because, in principle, I agree with the Republican platform, not because I believe any of these peckerwoods will actually do what they say. But I could say the same thing if I were going for Obama. At least McCain says he's not going to raise taxes or try and take my guns (which I cling to, because my life is so friggin bad here in the good ol' U.S.of A) But you're absolutely right about one thing: If a journalist is caught making up stories, they should be terminated, post-haste (and I'm not talking about getting fired...I'm talking about literally terminated).

Gee, I wanted to go to bed.

McCain was only speaking to people who make more than $250,000 when he said that. I'll look for the citation tomorrow. Obama will only raise taxes on those over $250,000. I make pretty good money, but under Obama's plan, I get about a $3000 break. Since I probably won't be back on-line until tomorrow night, you might google some of the comparisons of the tax programs.

And Obama also said he won't take your guns. Specifically, and many times. I'm a gun owner, and am quite sensitive to that.

And I agree with you on journalism, although some of the outlets that you mentioned have been tilting ever more to the right -- not out of principle, but out of cowardice.

j

And now I am going to bed.
j

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

Gee, I wanted to go to bed.

McCain was only speaking to people who make more than $250,000 when he said that. I'll look for the citation tomorrow. Obama will only raise taxes on those over $250,000. I make pretty good money, but under Obama's plan, I get about a $3000 break. Since I probably won't be back on-line until tomorrow night, you might google some of the comparisons of the tax programs.

And Obama also said he won't take your guns. Specifically, and many times. I'm a gun owner, and am quite sensitive to that.

And I agree with you on journalism, although some of the outlets that you mentioned have been tilting ever more to the right -- not out of principle, but out of cowardice.

j

And now I am going to bed.
j

Ok...now I see the problem: We just have a different definition of "left". And I have looked at tax tables (and I didn't bookmark it, so I'll have to try and find it again). My problem is this: Obama wants to tax the "rich". You know, those who invest in this country, provide jobs, stuff like that...Any idea what that'll do? (In the real world, not the liberal world). Obama wants to cut taxes on the "poorest" among us. They already don't pay taxes. I don't make great money. I'm a public servant, and Obama's plan would break me over like a double barrel shotgun and dry hump the hell out of me. And I have a college degree in literature and an IQ of 153 (last time I took a test). I say a flat tax, with no loopholes. That's the only fair way, IMHO. And I'm spent. Enjoyed it. Also, the fact that you're a gun owner gives me hope.