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10-16-2008, 03:24 AM #1
I think this was McCain's strongest performance of the three, by far. I thought he lost the first two, but I think he won this one.
Obama hasn't really impressed me in any of them. He has given basically the same performance each time: flat, vague, and based on talking points that most people, liberal or conservative, would have trouble disagreeing with. (Who really disagrees with getting rid of government programs that don't work and shoring up those that do? McCain would agree to that, but they have different definitions of what "working" programs look like. Obama hasn't gotten specific on many of these proposals.)
But Obama's performances in the last two were good enough, and that was all he needed because McCain was almost incoherent much of the time.
Tonight Obama stuck to the same talking points, but McCain was better prepared with sharper arguments. I score tonight as a victory for McCain, and I bet the race tightens further by next Monday.
Josh
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10-16-2008, 03:26 AM #2
Oh, and Schieffer did a good job. The questions covered a broader range of issues than previous debates, and he challenged both candidates several times with good follow-up questions. I wish there were more journalists like him these days.
Josh
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10-16-2008, 03:57 AM #3
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10-16-2008, 05:08 AM #4
I want to add Joe the Plumber to my list of phrases I never want to hear again.
Obama was consistent, McCain did much better, but he cannot hide his disdain for Obama - the facial expression were disturbing. I also find it hard to believe that McCain would take a penny from the Pentagon's budget.
Obama again did not take the bait on Ayers, ACORN, or abortion (where did that come from?).
McCain's claims to balance the budget a load of BS - contrary to the battle cry of the GOP "Tax and Spend Democrats",in the 60+ years since the end of WWII, the US debt, starting with Truman’s term in 1946, Democratic presidents increased the national debt an average of only 3.2% annually, while Republican presidents stay at an average increase of 9.2% annually...thus, Republican Presidents out borrowed and spent Democratic presidents by a three to one ratio. Where did the surplus CLinton left disappear to?
McCain fumbled the response regarding the hateful comments which he and Palin allowed at their rallies...too little, too late. His sengue from the Ayers topic to his plan and tax cuts at the end of that section was bizzare.
How he could sit and spout that load of drivel about Palin and not laugh is amazing. This woman is so in bed with big oil, their execs, families, lobbyists and lawyers, I am surpsied that the Dems have not called her on it. I cannot see this woman sitting on the dias in the Senate with not clue as to what to do.
McCain kept beating the dead horse about sitting down without pre-conditions...has no one on his staff told him that that has been shown as a blatant mis-quote?
Obama offerd more tangible metrics on what he intended to do and what the results could be. McCain kept on about offshore drilling....and Joe the Plumber.
If McCain had spent his campaign concentrating on the economy and showing how he is going to fix it, I might feel differently; as it is, he has abandoned his long-standing principles and courted support from people he condemned only a few years ago for the sake of votes.
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10-16-2008, 05:18 AM #5
I just love how Obama won the debate being intelligent, clear and concise. Way to go Dems. you got this one sown up!
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10-16-2008, 05:47 AM #6
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10-16-2008, 05:54 AM #7
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10-17-2008, 01:47 PM #8
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Regarding the abortion issue, it is the baby born alive act.
YouTube - Barack Obama Votes Against Babies Born Alive!
Matt
(I'm just responding to "where did that come from" and I don't want to start a debate on abortion)
10-17-2008, 02:38 PM
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This whole campaign is so similar to the Bush vs Clinton and then Clinton vs Dole campaign, You have the old warhorhorse ready to retire competing against the new tough kid on the block and the warhorse gets a bonus for taking a dive in the fifth round, while the crowd goes wild.
It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. Twain