Thread: Meet the Press

Originally Posted by ScottS

Right. And things would be exactly the same if Gore or Kerry were president now.

Pretty much

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

Pretty much

In all likely hood, the war in Iraq wouln't have happened if Bush hadn't been president.
That would have saved the US 3 Trillion dollars, and the loss of face and international goodwill. The dollar mightn't have plunged either.
Quite a big difference I'd say.

Although I have to admit, I favored Gore and Kerry because they were 'not Bush' Perhaps that is also why they lost. Especially Kerry had little else going for him imo. Otoh I favor Obama because he is Obama.
Of the 3 recent dem candidates, he is the one I value highest.

I'm still waiting to see Obama produce credentials proving that he is a natural born American citizen. Without proof he is not in standing to be a candidate let alone be on the Ballot. If he is indeed a natural born American, provide the documentation.

Forgive me, but surely the democratic party wouldnt have selected him as their candidate without checking that first? In fact for that matter, surely if he wasnt American the republicans would have picked up on that and said something already?

According to wiki, he is American and from Hawaii,

Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

EDIT: Also, non-american citizens cannot BE american politicans. They simply cannot get paid for that job. A background check is done. Thats right, that means Arnie is a US citizen now.

Originally Posted by denmason

I'm still waiting to see Obama produce credentials proving that he is a natural born American citizen. Without proof he is not in standing to be a candidate let alone be on the Ballot. If he is indeed a natural born American, provide the documentation.

+1 on what Sidney said.

This is like the debate on whether the moon landing was real or not.
The Russians and the Americans were in a world defining race to be first. They were watching like hawks.
They would have caused an uproar if there was any reason to doubt.
And so would the republicans pounce on Obama if he wouldn't be a natural born American.

Both candidates have entire teams devoted to digging up dirt on the opposition.
If they haven't found anything like what you're suggesting, it is probably safe to say that there is no reason to doubt.

Originally Posted by sidneykidney

Forgive me, but surely the democratic party wouldnt have selected him as their candidate without checking that first? In fact for that matter, surely if he wasnt American the republicans would have picked up on that and said something already?

According to wiki, he is American and from Hawaii,

Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

EDIT: Also, non-american citizens cannot BE american politicans. They simply cannot get paid for that job. A background check is done. Thats right, that means Arnie is a US citizen now.

Originally Posted by Bruno

+1 on what Sidney said.

This is like the debate on whether the moon landing was real or not.
The Russians and the Americans were in a world defining race to be first. They were watching like hawks.
They would have caused an uproar if there was any reason to doubt.
And so would the republicans pounce on Obama if he wouldn't be a natural born American.

Both candidates have entire teams devoted to digging up dirt on the opposition.
If they haven't found anything like what you're suggesting, it is probably safe to say that there is no reason to doubt.

Check it. Don't be surprised to see McCain throw this down next week. A lawsuit has been filed with the Pennsylvania Eastern District Court requiring Mr. Obama to produce documents to prove he is constitutionally qualified to run for President. So far Mr. Obama has refused to produce the documents and is trying to fight the court order to produce the documents. Any American should be able to prove citizenship in less than a day. Why can't Mr. Obama?

Originally Posted by denmason

Check it. Don't be surprised to see McCain throw this down next week. A lawsuit has been filed with the Pennsylvania Eastern District Court requiring Mr. Obama to produce documents to prove he is constitutionally qualified to run for President. So far Mr. Obama has refused to produce the documents and is trying to fight the court order to produce the documents. Any American should be able to prove citizenship in less than a day. Why can't Mr. Obama?

I don't believe Obama would have been received the nomination if he hadn't been thoroughly vetted by a team of dems to make sure that something like this would be real.
There is no way that the dems would allow this nuclear bombshell to be dropped by surprise, because it'd end with the biggest landslide victory for McCain.

If he is fighting this, I'd bet that it is to waste time and money of McCain. There is no reason why he should be cooperative with the Republican Dirt Team.

Originally Posted by Bruno

I don't believe Obama would have been received the nomination if he hadn't been thoroughly vetted by a team of dems to make sure that something like this would be real.
There is no way that the dems would allow this nuclear bombshell to be dropped by surprise, because it'd end with the biggest landslide victory for McCain.

If he is fighting this, I'd bet that it is to waste time and money of McCain. There is no reason why he should be cooperative with the Republican Dirt Team.

There is every reason he should cooperate. So far he hasn't come forth with the documents. I am not a Republican or Democrat, but I sure want to know. This could lead to some very interesting events happening in America should it be reviled that he is not what he says he is.

Originally Posted by denmason

Check it. Don't be surprised to see McCain throw this down next week.

Actually, there are quite the number of folks, including folks serving on the Appeals circuit courts, that think McCain's Canal Zone birth doesn't qualify for "natural born"

Oh, please, tell me we're not still going through this crap. This was put aside months ago. This guy in PA was a Hillary supporter who was part of the "kitchen sink" strategy.

"Certificate of live birth" and "Birth Certificate" are the same thing. My son once had trouble because his proof of birth said "birth registration" and some clueless bureaucrat suggested it wasn't kosher. Fortunately, my wife is an attorney, and I sincerely doubt the idiot will try something that stupid again.

This re-birth of the phony "birth registration" scam smacks more than a little of desperation.

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