Thread: Dear Mr. Obama

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

Oh, puh-leeze!

The so-called "leftist mainstream media" have been covering these things ad nauseum, while they ignore all of McSame's ties to lobbyists and corporations. Fact is, with painfully few exceptions, the mainstream media have been controlled by the right wing for some time now.

The media ignoring Mccain's ties to lobbyists? I have heard more about this by the media than anything about Obama's ties to unrepentant terrorists. Take a look at the number of telelvision shows, newspapers, media coprporations and other media outlets that have endorsed Barak Obama for President. Media controlled by the Right??? Are you kidding me? Sure, there are people like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity that lean towards the right but never have I seen such disrespect towards a candidate. Both John McCain and Sarah Palin have been called out and been unfairly attacked because Barak Hussein Obama is the chosen one that came down from the heavens to bring CHANGE to America.

It is unfortunate that his change will turn America into a Socialist country.

I was afraid this thread was going to die too soon but it just keeps on giving

Originally Posted by Chady

I was afraid this thread was going to die too soon but it just keeps on giving

Very good!!

James.

Perhaps you could consider changin the name of your country to DSA instead of USA: 'Divided States of America'

Originally Posted by Bruno

Perhaps you could consider changin the name of your country to DSA instead of USA: 'Divided States of America'

That may not be far from the truth Bruno. The Director of the United States Central Intelligence Agency, General Michael Hayden, has told both the Syrian President and Lebanon’s Hezbollah Leadership that the next American president would the ‘last one’ during secret meetings he held in Beirut in early October. Equally as stunning, these reports continue, President Bush had secretly delivered to Syrian President Assad a ‘guarantee’ that Israel would be made to withdrawal from the Golan Heights in exchange for its breaking of its alliance with Iran, news which shocked the Israeli government who stated they were unaware of this latest American move against them. Russian Military Analysts state that these latest US moves are designed around the planned ascendancy to the US Presidency of Barak Obama who they report is slated to lead the United States into the worst period of their history since their 1860-65 Civil War, and which like that conflict is due to fracture the American Nation from its present position as a First World Nation State to one of at least three separate countries based upon ethnic and religious lines.
The American people, however, continue to remain in near total ignorance of their impending fate still failing to realize that a United States economy supported by 70 percent of its citizens continually buying things they don’t need while they owe over $25 Trillion in debt on their credit cards they are now using for their most basis of needs, is an economic system that can do nothing else but collapse in a way that will shock these poor people unlike anything ever occurring in their lifetime. Not to be overlooked is that with the coming breakup of the United States their once stalwart ally Israel will be doomed as the Americans continue to be the only Nation still supporting the Jewish State against a rising tide of World condemnation for their imprisonment of the Palestinian people. I only wonder when, or if, these American people will finally awaken to the dangers they face so that they might prepare themselves for survival in the strange World suddenly enveloping them in its evil embrace. For them to do nothing borders on the insane, but if this past decade has shown us anything it is that most of them are.

Originally Posted by denmason

That may not be far from the truth Bruno. The Director of the United States Central Intelligence Agency, General Michael Hayden, has told both the Syrian President and Lebanon’s Hezbollah Leadership that the next American president would the ‘last one’ during secret meetings he held in Beirut in early October. Equally as stunning, these reports continue, President Bush had secretly delivered to Syrian President Assad a ‘guarantee’ that Israel would be made to withdrawal from the Golan Heights in exchange for its breaking of its alliance with Iran, news which shocked the Israeli government who stated they were unaware of this latest American move against them. Russian Military Analysts state that these latest US moves are designed around the planned ascendancy to the US Presidency of Barak Obama who they report is slated to lead the United States into the worst period of their history since their 1860-65 Civil War, and which like that conflict is due to fracture the American Nation from its present position as a First World Nation State to one of at least three separate countries based upon ethnic and religious lines.
The American people, however, continue to remain in near total ignorance of their impending fate still failing to realize that a United States economy supported by 70 percent of its citizens continually buying things they don’t need while they owe over $25 Trillion in debt on their credit cards they are now using for their most basis of needs, is an economic system that can do nothing else but collapse in a way that will shock these poor people unlike anything ever occurring in their lifetime. Not to be overlooked is that with the coming breakup of the United States their once stalwart ally Israel will be doomed as the Americans continue to be the only Nation still supporting the Jewish State against a rising tide of World condemnation for their imprisonment of the Palestinian people. I only wonder when, or if, these American people will finally awaken to the dangers they face so that they might prepare themselves for survival in the strange World suddenly enveloping them in its evil embrace. For them to do nothing borders on the insane, but if this past decade has shown us anything it is that most of them are.

Denmason is one enlightened dude.

It's refreshing to read your posts and I am glad to see someone (besides me) follows international politics.

Kudos, bro.

OMG, you're really serious. You haven't traveled much aye? Israel is as about as powerful as a mosquito. We can disrupt their nuclear capability in a heartbeat. China? Stomp the crap out of us from sheer numbers. America fracturing into three separate states? Get real. Sounds like some of that Missouri Freemen crapola. If some dumbass group tries to start a civil war, I will be the nation's first disabled vet to pick my arms up once again in defence of the Union. I am sure there will be untold numbers at my back. What a load of crap. That makes me so angry, that someone here would even state such drivel.

Originally Posted by rugrad02

The media ignoring Mccain's ties to lobbyists? I have heard more about this by the media than anything about Obama's ties to unrepentant terrorists. Take a look at the number of telelvision shows, newspapers, media coprporations and other media outlets that have endorsed Barak Obama for President. Media controlled by the Right??? Are you kidding me? Sure, there are people like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity that lean towards the right but never have I seen such disrespect towards a candidate. Both John McCain and Sarah Palin have been called out and been unfairly attacked because Barak Hussein Obama is the chosen one that came down from the heavens to bring CHANGE to America.

It is unfortunate that his change will turn America into a Socialist country.

How have McCan't and Palin been "called out and unfairly attacked?" I'd especially appreciate you explaining how there is anything that has been said about them that is even remotely comparable to the McCarthyist nonsense that the Repugnican sewage machine has been spewing about Obama -- attacks that the "liberal media" parrot endlessly, regardless of the fact that they are without merit.

I will also challenge you to come up with some evidence that Obama is a "socialist." You people seem to believe that his statement to "Joe" the "Plumber" that the American middle class should be able to keep a bit more of the money that they've earned by their labor is somehow evidence of "socialism." And if you're going to cite the seven-year-old radio interview in which he comments on civil rights efforts to effect fiscal equality through the courts (which he said were misguided), please get it right. I'd suggest listening to the whole interview, not just the out-of-context clips the wingnutosphere has been repeating, and then, if you still don't get it, read some of the legal commentary on what he was actually talking about. I would seriously suggest that you not rely on Limbaugh, O'Really, and Coulter on this one.

It's really easy when you're overcome with hatred of a political figure, to call him a "socialist." Doesn't make it so, and adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.

j

Oh, and you might stop referring to Ayers as "unrepentant." That's another one from the wingnuts. He actually repented of the violence, but defended the fact that he worked against the war. He said he should have "done more," but was not referring to the violence at the time.

This video is just more of the "if you aren't with us, you are against us" mentality touted by Bush and Cheney. It is the continuation of the aggressive nationalism of Hobbes and Strauss, the espousing of Machiavelli's maxim that "if no external threat exists then one has to be manufactured" (meaning while progress may be being made in Iraq, we need to keep the populace afraid to stay in or come to power), the desire to use foreign policy to fulfill a "nation destiny" (per Irving Kristol, one of the leading neo-conservatives), the appropriation of the references to God by the Founding Fathers to exclusively Christian interpratation, and the praising and encouraging of faith in their political base, while they themselves feel no obligation to follow or practice the same (Leo Strauss Strauss viewed religion as absolutely essential in government in order to impose moral law on the masses who otherwise would be out of control. He also felt that that religion was for the masses alone; the rulers need not be bound by it.)

I can not find anything in the GOP platform that is not tied to divisiveness, "them vs. us", the abrogation of individual rights and intolerance veiled in the guise of faith and religion, and the attempts to elevate that "faith" to a place of superiority over all others, violating the separation of church and state exhorted both by the constitution and by Christ himself (...Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. - Mark 12:16-18)

As much as I can research, my family has been Republican probably since the party was founded in the 1850's. The disillusionment for many started with Nixon and has not stopped. While GOP claims to be "of the common man", their policies ("trickle-down economics", etc.) have benefitted the wealthy at the expense of the working and middle class; while they claim to hate "elitists", they cling to the exclusivity that wealth provides with a grasping claw and will say or do anything to maintain this hold - even at the cost of American lives, treasure, prestige, and reputation.

I am not concerned with whom someone may have associated; I am concerned with those whom they would place in positions of authority. I am concerned with how they treat all segments of American society and if they seek to include everyone in this great undertaking we call the United States. If they seek to divide, to claim on class/belief/faith/creed is superior to another and those who do follow their choice are "un-American", if they claim to support the American worker but do everything in their power to line the pockets of the already wealthy, if they seek to obtain the support of veterans with one hand, while failing to support them on the other..they I will not and cannot support them. I also see it as an duty to speak out against them, an obligation; an obligation to my forebears of over 350 years on American soil.

"With Malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds."

There is nothing in the above quote in anything that has come out of the GOP in the last 2 decades, if not longer....despite the quote being from Lincoln.

Both parties have strayed violently from the ideals of Jefferson, Adams, Paine, Franklin, and Lincoln. We - the People of the United States - can never redirect the nation unless we are united.

"America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great."

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville

Originally Posted by WireBeard

This video is just more of the "if you aren't with us, you are against us" mentality touted by Bush and Cheney. It is the continuation of the aggressive nationalism of Hobbes and Strauss, the espousing of Machiavelli's maxim that "if no external threat exists then one has to be manufactured" (meaning while progress may be being made in Iraq, we need to keep the populace afraid to stay in or come to power), the desire to use foreign policy to fulfill a "nation destiny" (per Irving Kristol, one of the leading neo-conservatives), the appropriation of the references to God by the Founding Fathers to exclusively Christian interpratation, and the praising and encouraging of faith in their political base, while they themselves feel no obligation to follow or practice the same (Leo Strauss Strauss viewed religion as absolutely essential in government in order to impose moral law on the masses who otherwise would be out of control. He also felt that that religion was for the masses alone; the rulers need not be bound by it.)

I can not find anything in the GOP platform that is not tied to divisiveness, "them vs. us", the abrogation of individual rights and intolerance veiled in the guise of faith and religion, and the attempts to elevate that "faith" to a place of superiority over all others, violating the separation of church and state exhorted both by the constitution and by Christ himself (...Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. - Mark 12:16-18)

As much as I can research, my family has been Republican probably since the party was founded in the 1850's. The disillusionment for many started with Nixon and has not stopped. While GOP claims to be "of the common man", their policies ("trickle-down economics", etc.) have benefitted the wealthy at the expense of the working and middle class; while they claim to hate "elitists", they cling to the exclusivity that wealth provides with a grasping claw and will say or do anything to maintain this hold - even at the cost of American lives, treasure, prestige, and reputation.

I am not concerned with whom someone may have associated; I am concerned with those whom they would place in positions of authority. I am concerned with how they treat all segments of American society and if they seek to include everyone in this great undertaking we call the United States. If they seek to divide, to claim on class/belief/faith/creed is superior to another and those who do follow their choice are "un-American", if they claim to support the American worker but do everything in their power to line the pockets of the already wealthy, if they seek to obtain the support of veterans with one hand, while failing to support them on the other..they I will not and cannot support them. I also see it as an duty to speak out against them, an obligation; an obligation to my forebears of over 350 years on American soil.

"With Malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds."

There is nothing in the above quote in anything that has come out of the GOP in the last 2 decades, if not longer....despite the quote being from Lincoln.

Both parties have strayed violently from the ideals of Jefferson, Adams, Paine, Franklin, and Lincoln. We - the People of the United States - can never redirect the nation unless we are united.

"America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great."

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville

I'm in much the same boat. My great-great-great grandfather was a founder of the Republican Party in Monroe County, New York. To give you an idea of the difference between his Party and ours, he was also a stationmaster on the Underground Railroad. You see, back in those days, the Republicans were in favor of freedom and equality, not against it.

But it didn't last long. By the 1880s, Frederick Douglass (whom my grandfather may have known) would lament that "the party of emancipation has become the party of money."

You're right -- Lincoln wouldn't recognize it.

j