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    Quote Originally Posted by xman View Post
    This is Social Darwinism and has been soundly denounced.

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    Citation needed. The article you link does not contain any definitive denouncements. (as well it shouldn't, it's an encyclopedia.)

    I am well familiar with the theory of Social Darwinism and wholeheartedly agree with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jockeys View Post
    Citation needed. The article you link does not contain any definitive denouncements. (as well it shouldn't, it's an encyclopedia.)

    I am well familiar with the theory of Social Darwinism and wholeheartedly agree with it.


    YouTube - Re: Reclaim and Defend Social Darwinism!!!


    YouTube - Social Darwinism


    YouTube - Darwin is not Herbert Spencer - Social Darwinism

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    xman-> youtube (i assume that's what's in those blank boxes) is blocked by my work firewall, I'll watch and respond to them this evening, but for now I can't see 'em.

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    ok, I watched the videos on my iphone during lunch, so i can comment a bit:

    1. this video wouldn't pull up, i have no idea why, i tried it 3 times. sorry. the other two came up fine
    2. this is a video of some random guy on the beach venting about how he doesn't like social darwinism because a) spencer was a jerk (I agree, but this is an ad hominem) and b) the theory, in its initial form, was little more than a misappropriation of darwinian ideals to justify further class stratification. (these are my own words.) i agree with him on several points, but this has almost nothing to do with a) the modern-day intepretation of social darwinism and b) my own personal ideals on the subject
    3. this lady seems to have done her homework to a much greater extent than the beach guy, but her main thrust is a) a defense of evolution and b) tying social darwinism to the national socialist party. i agree that the national socialist party's eugenics program was awful. they definitely twisted the ideals of social darwinism quite a bit to suit their own needs. but i don't think that just because a particular ideaology is abused and perverted by one group, no matter how sinister, it becomes instantly wrong. after all, the national socialist party perverted many of the ideals of the roman catholic church as well.

    I will agree that some of the proponents of certain subsets have been inhuman monsters. no doubt about that. but in your own wikipedia link, the tenuous connection between the national socialist party and the core tenets of social darwinism is called into question.

    perhaps if I self-identified as Objectivist instead of mentioning Social Darwinism, there wouldn't be so much objection, but to me the core ideas are the same.

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