Thread: Stem cell research...

Originally Posted by JMS

As far as IVF goes I think that that is a problem also To waste the embryonic potential for a full and healthy life so that one can become pregnant on command equates in my view to murder for your own selfish ends!

For those who use the waste and justify it is similar to the guy who sees an old broken down car on the side of the road and removes the bumpers saying to himself "well, it was broken anyways so no one will mind" all the while forgetting that it wasn't his in the first place!

Most of us would see it as more like buying the bumper from the guy who owns the car before vandals came and shoved the whole thing into the river.

j

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

Most of us would see it as more like buying the bumper from the guy who owns the car before vandals came and shoved the whole thing into the river.

j

You speak for most people? Gosh! I only speak for myself!

Originally Posted by JMS

You speak for most people? Gosh! I only speak for myself!

You hold a minority view on this. I was expressing a typical view of the majority, of which I am a part.

j

Here is an idea how about those that don't believe in the right to have abortions don't have them, and those that don't believe in fetal stem cells don't participate in the research or partake in any of the benefits derived from it and if they don't believe in IVF don't have it. These are all based on religious beliefs and as such the government should stay out of it.

There's an upside too it's just all those liberals having abortions, the more they have the less offspring and hey the religious right shall rise again.

Originally Posted by Hutch

Here is an idea how about those that don't believe in the right to have abortions don't have them, and those that don't believe in fetal stem cells don't participate in the research or partake in any of the benefits derived from it and if they don't believe in IVF don't have it. These are all based on religious beliefs and as such the government should stay out of it.

There's an upside too it's just all those liberals having abortions, the more they have the less offspring and hey the religious right shall rise again.

Does this mean civil discussion is not on option for you!
Your reply sounds rather snippy and not very civil. Am I wrong? I hope so, and if so please elaborate!

In Holocast concentration camps they did all sorts of medical experiments.

Those folks were doomed to die regardless. So, is it ethical to make use of the medical information derived from those experiments, even given the circumstances surrounding how the information was obtained?

Originally Posted by Seraphim

In Holocast concentration camps they did all sorts of medical experiments.

Those folks were doomed to die regardless. So, is it ethical to make use of the medical information derived from those experiments, even given the circumstances surrounding how the information was obtained?

You have a knack for asking some great questions!

Hasn't this arguement happened a few dozen times already? I don't remember how it ends. Can someone bottom line this for me?

Originally Posted by JMS

Does this mean civil discussion is not on option for you!
Your reply sounds rather snippy and not very civil. Am I wrong? I hope so, and if so please elaborate!

Nothing snippy about it, just another discussion point, for those that like to place their "values" on the rest of society at the cost of others. If infant, animal, or adult stem cells can help those that are already living then so be it. The problem is we are talking about stifling the actual research so no one would ever know if it would be beneficial.

Its a solution to the religious right zealots. I don't see the Jehovah's Witnesses stopping transfusion for everyone, they just don't do it themselves. If we humanists are wrong you can all just sit there on your little perch in your Heaven and watch us all burn in Hell

I'm not sure how my reply sounds "snippy" or "not very civil" as I never put any sound along with my written words, you choose how you read them not me.

Originally Posted by Hutch

Yes murder is wrong, because that is the killing of a human being. If a fetus is a human being that would make your God one of the greatest serial killers in history, after all he would be responsible for every spontaneous abortion. What about the potential life that is expelled in every egg when a woman has a period?

Man does not judge God, God judges man! But you already know this if I understand some earlier off topic posts you have written!
It is an argument designed to trump thoughtful debate as opposed to bringing about thoughtful discussion, which is what I wish to have!