Thread: FDA approved embryonic stem cell trials

FDA OKs 1st Embryonic Stem Cell Trial - US News and World Report

We'll soon find out if it is indeed the cure all that many hope it will be. I know I'll be waiting in fascination

Its about time. I cant wait to see the results of these experiments and future experiments.

Just read where Obama is planning to lift the ban on U.S. funded abortions in other countries. Is it just me, or does it sound like he's not really too worried about our economy?

Originally Posted by freebird

Just read where Obama is planning to lift the ban on U.S. funded abortions in other countries. Is it just me, or does it sound like he's not really too worried about our economy?

Cheap shot. If you read your history, this is something that gets changed whenever there's a switch in which party inhabits the White House. Reagan banned it. Clinton unbanned it. Bush rebanned it. Obama just unbanned it again. The Prez simply signs a piece of paper. Takes no time away from dealing with other issues...

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

Cheap shot. If you read your history, this is something that gets changed whenever there's a switch in which party inhabits the White House. Reagan banned it. Clinton unbanned it. Bush rebanned it. Obama just unbanned it again. The Prez simply signs a piece of paper. Takes no time away from dealing with other issues...

Not exactly a cheap shot, think about it, he just took the ban off of U.S. funded (our tax dollars) abortions in other countries. I for one would rather my tax wouldn't go to kill babies in other countries. And if we're in such a financial mess, then wouldn't that tax money be better spent here? He could've just left it alone, at least until we're out of the financial mess we're in.....and that was supposed to be his priority when he took office.

Originally Posted by freebird

Not exactly a cheap shot, think about it, he just took the ban off of U.S. funded (our tax dollars) abortions in other countries. I for one would rather my tax wouldn't go to kill babies in other countries. And if we're in such a financial mess, then wouldn't that tax money be better spent here? He could've just left it alone, at least until we're out of the financial mess we're in.....and that was supposed to be his priority when he took office.

Firebird: That comes from the petty cash money, like the $150 M for the inauguration.

Don't forget, we have $1,000,000,000,000 to throw away

Originally Posted by freebird

I for one would rather my tax wouldn't go to kill babies in other countries.

I agree on this point. As for the expenditure of our tax dollars go, think how many Medicaid dollars we will save if FOCA passes, when thousands of Catholic hospitals will close when told they must perform abortions. Yes, the sarcasm intended.

Originally Posted by Quick Orange

We'll soon find out if it is indeed the cure all that many hope it will be. I know I'll be waiting in fascination

You guys'll have some catching up to do, us lot over the pond have been prodding around with stem cells some time now.

Or maybe you mean now that you guys are on it, you'll solve the problem pretty quick?

I don't want to get embroiled in a political thread, but I'll set the facts straight. Obama did not OK US funding of abortions. The ban, which was removed, was on providing ANY funding for any international organization that provided abortions. Let's say, for example, that there was an organization in Thailand, or some such, dedicated to the rescue of women involved in the sex industry involuntarily (we could probably all agree that this is a good thing). A noble endeavor, but if the organization should choose to provide abortions, even under accounting practices that clearly demonstrate that none of the funding for abortions came from the US government, that organization would still be ineligible for US funds during the ban. It was, is, and shall remain illegal (I think since 1973 (***update, actually 1961)) for international organizations to provide abortions using US government funds.

Originally Posted by ScottS

I don't want to get embroiled in a political thread, but I'll set the facts straight. Obama did not OK US funding of abortions. The ban, which was removed, was on providing ANY funding for any international organization that provided abortions. Let's say, for example, that there was an organization in Thailand, or some such, dedicated to the rescue of women involved in the sex industry involuntarily (we could probably all agree that this is a good thing). A noble endeavor, but if the organization should choose to provide abortions, even under accounting practices that clearly demonstrate that none of the funding for abortions came from the US government, that organization would still be ineligible for US funds during the ban. It was, is, and shall remain illegal (I think since 1973 (***update, actually 1961)) for international organizations to provide abortions using US government funds.

The real kicker to this one is that the Bush position -- of de-funding organizations that offered abortion services in addition to family planning services -- actually resulted in increases in the number of abortions in some of the countries affected -- in some cases large increases. It seems that when you deny women access to family planning services, they tend to get preggers.

This, of course, has bolstered the notion that the Bush position on abortion was about ideology, not about reducing the number of abortions.

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