Thread: Honor killing and the difference in cultures.

Again with the double standards, though a people's entire ideology exists and is centered on submission/destruction of all peoples other than ones that meet their idiology,... we as "civilized people" should be more tolerant?????

I really, really, don't understand that way of thinking, I just don't...
They want to kill you, but hey that's OK??? reason with your enemy!!!! show him compassion???? turn the other cheek???? BE tolerant???

Hmmmm No thank you sir, you go right ahead, be tolerant...


Me ??? I would rather be vigilant....

Originally Posted by Blade Wielder

Ah, there's your post.

That's sounds like a very bigoted outlook.

Whoa Nelly!!!! their outlook says the exact same thing !!!
Covert, submit, or die.... period end of story that's is their dogma...

So now who is Bigoted????

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Whoa Nelly!!!! their outlook says the exact same thing !!!
Covert, submit, or die.... period end of story that's is their dogma...

So now who is Bigoted????

It's all part of the double standard - some here don't expect muslim fundamentalists to be able to be tolerant and hold them to a lower standard. It's ok for them to be bigots because, well darn it, they have a different culture that we need to accept and understand. We are held to a higher standard, because we should know better.

In a way, it's more bigoted to expect less from someone than to tell them the truth. I haven't read the whole speech, but I suspect that some of this is what Holder was pointing to today.

Jordan

I just looked up the term bigoted: "Utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own."

Sounds about right.

I wasn't saying one side was more stubborn than the other; but being from the west myself, I do expect more of a diplomatic stance from other westerners on the issue. These aren't the days of Genghis Khan, where everyone taller than a wagon wheel's axle was decapitated. If you've closed your mind to anything and everything except, "you kill them all," that's really a shame. Many people have died in war because racism and bigotry keeps their eyes shut in the middle of a storm, and prevents them from even looking for a port.

And, as ugly as this truth may be, those words stink of racism. Similarly minded people saw no possibility of whites and blacks living together equally. Ever. And they fought to keep them in chains. So that's what I think of... someone that would say that today probably would have fought for a similarly bigoted cause in the 1860's. As ugly as that may be.

Why should we lower ourselves down to their level?
If we killed them all, they would have succeeded in destroying our culture.
Isn't our culture built around acting decent? We are showing the supremacy of our culture by not destroying them even if they would have in our place.

Originally Posted by jockeys

We kill them all. Sometimes peaceful coexistance is not an option. When my very existence offends their imaginary pal up in the sky, there's not going to be any rational dialogue.

Unreasonable people can't be reasoned with.

"Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster and if you gaze into the abyss the abyss gazes into you."

I see the event in Buffalo as an example of culture clash. Most will be at least somewhat reasonable and should not be condemned for the actions of a few. By banning slavery and presenting an alternative to segregation the USA has made great strides. There are still racists, but overall the world view has progressed.

We must stay the course. By offering reason, it can and will be adopted even if only gradually.

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

For my culture and I hope yours killing Fatima would have been the dishonorable action. How do we "win" and bring democracy to people who have a mindset such as this ?

I will be called names for this. Let me ask another question that is related to yours: how do we retain our democracies despite the influx of people who have a mindset such as this? (both North America and Europe)

Originally Posted by sparq

I will be called names for this. Let me ask another question that is related to yours: how do we retain our democracies despite the influx of people who have a mindset such as this? (both North America and Europe)

That is a conundrum that I don't know the answer to. People have been asking that question in relation to immigration for a long time. In 1908 when my grandfather came to the USA from Russia there was a lot of discrimination against eastern Europeans, Italians, Irish ........ "foreigners" in general who were not WASPs. Cultural assimilation was encouraged, even demanded and it gradually occurred. We all became "Americans"in our perception of ourselves and our cultural beliefs. The radical Islamic fundamentalists that we are concerned with appear to be a minority within Islam as a whole. At least I hope so. There are already a fair amount of muslims from around the world in the USA and in Europe and most of them seem to be good hard working people who only want to live and let live. That is my perception anyhow. Whether they will assimilate as previous immigrants have remains to be seen.

Look, these people, or I should say this Idealism of there's is a cancer! And the longer they are allowed to do what they do, the stronger they will get! People think that if they can get them to embrace any other way of life than there's are sadly mistaken. They will agree with any group that opposes there beliefs until they can wiggle themselves into a position to attack, then they will kill anyone and anything that opposes their beliefs. It is a matter of Honor (yeah, right!) to them to make and break treaties, agreements or anything to gain the confidence of someone, then all Hell breaks loose! Do we have to experience something like 9/11 to have our eyes openened again! I spent 14 months as a guest over there in the sandbox and guys that would come in and work on the base and shake your hand and talk like you were there friend, would be caught after hours launching mortars in on us! I lost 3 buddies because of them! They need to be eradicated or they will not stop, never!

Originally Posted by rrp1501

People think that if they can get them to embrace any other way of life than there's are sadly mistaken.

Clearly, since 'we' have progressed beyond such thinking it is you who are mistaken, but that's understandable since it doesn't happen overnight, but often takes a whole new generation to make any noticeable advance.

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