Honor killing and the difference in cultures.

Look, these people, or I should say this Idealism of there's is a cancer! And the longer they are allowed to do what they do, the stronger they will get! People think that if they can get them to embrace any other way of life than there's are sadly mistaken. They will agree with any group that opposes there beliefs until they can wiggle themselves into a position to attack, then they will kill anyone and anything that opposes their beliefs. It is a matter of Honor (yeah, right!) to them to make and break treaties, agreements or anything to gain the confidence of someone, then all Hell breaks loose! Do we have to experience something like 9/11 to have our eyes openened again! I spent 14 months as a guest over there in the sandbox and guys that would come in and work on the base and shake your hand and talk like you were there friend, would be caught after hours launching mortars in on us! I lost 3 buddies because of them! They need to be eradicated or they will not stop, never!

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

Hmmmm :hmmm: No thank you sir, you go right ahead, be tolerant...:gl:


Me ??? I would rather be vigilant....

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said it better than I ever could have.

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Originally Posted by rrp1501

People think that if they can get them to embrace any other way of life than there's are sadly mistaken.

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Clearly, since 'we' have progressed beyond such thinking it is you who are mistaken, but that's understandable since it doesn't happen overnight, but often takes a whole new generation to make any noticeable advance.

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

How do we "win" and bring democracy to people who have a mindset such as this ?

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Originally Posted by jockeys

We kill them all. Sometimes peaceful coexistance is not an option. When my very existence offends their imaginary pal up in the sky, there's not going to be any rational dialogue.

Unreasonable people can't be reasoned with.

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Originally Posted by gugi

Well, I don't approve it but that really isn't my own business.

I don't see why would anybody deny the right of any group of people to live the way they want to.

It is not my responsibility to proscribe how other people should live their lives, I am only responsible for mine. Killing off those who don't live the same way as me, apart from being against my moral norms, has never worked very well.

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You're missing the point I'm making. I've been called racist and worse in PMs and comments for my remarks in the thread. Let me clarify.

I'm not advocating genocide or war. I'm answering JimmyHAD's question. He said, "how do we win?" and I said "kill them all." I was trying to point out that it is unwinnable. My personal feeling is that we should be non-interventionist towards other cultures in foreign lands. It's SO not our fight. Basically, the best case scenario, as it stands now, is a sort of quiet mutual dislike where our culture leaves some other culture alone. But we can't win them over to democracy. That culture, at present, has no interest. We can't make them interested. We can wait, and hope. But we can't win. The current generation is firmly entrenched, there is no mind-changing, only obliteration.

The next generation may grow up different. Our country has grown a lot in the last 25, 50, 100 years. But not because another culture "won" us over. We grew on our own, stumbling a lot in the process. You can't force that. You can threaten, you can kill, but you can't ever force someone to change their mind. They have to want it.

That's the point I'm trying to make. So please. Read my comments and think about them before sending me nasty messages. I don't think our culture should be trying to wipe out any other culture. That was never my point. I guess subtlety was ill-advised in this thread. My bad.

also, to all the folks that are calling me racist, I'm going to have to take offense. This isn't about race, it's about ideology.

Call me a jackass, call me an idealogue, call me whatever nasty thing makes you feel big, but it's certainly not racism. Get your insults right.

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Originally Posted by jockeys

I'm not advocating genocide or war...

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I have a question for you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you once say that you work for a weapons manufacturer? If that's true, then "we kill them all" is uncomfortably close to the truth.

Hey, if war is inevitable... Besides, if everyone is killed, I'm out of a job. Gotta leave someone alive to keep hating and fight the next one. :-)

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Originally Posted by jockeys

My personal feeling is that we should be non-interventionist towards other cultures in foreign lands. It's SO not our fight. Basically, the best case scenario, as it stands now, is a sort of quiet mutual dislike where our culture leaves some other culture alone. But we can't win them over to democracy. That culture, at present, has no interest. We can't make them interested. We can wait, and hope. But we can't win. The current generation is firmly entrenched, there is no mind-changing, only obliteration.

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Jockeys; this is a very astute assessment! I can't say I agree with you on the whole; but, it's a hell of a good thought!

You know; I can sort of see the Muslim culture spreading out to the greater Eurasian Continent and Africa in 50 years or so. Mind China's stance on Muslims is not good, Japan seems to be acting against “Islamization” but its efforts may be too little too late ref a , and Russia will do what it what it has to, to protect itself, but the rest of the area is in real danger of loosing their "identities" as nations.

Al right Jockeys! For the first time in my life I will agree and say that: "We should not have meddled!" I think it started in Kosovo by our interference between the Albanians and the Serbians.... I was there and I did my homework. The KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) was Muslim, founded by Adem Jashari ref b so by meddling with the natural balances; perhaps, we emboldened the “Islamization” of the world!

"We should not have meddled!" Thought I'd never agree on this one... dammit Jockeys!:thinking:

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Originally Posted by rrp1501

Look, these people, or I should say this Idealism of there's (theirs?) is a cancer! And the longer they are allowed to do what they do, the stronger they will get! People think that if they can get them to embrace any other way of life than there's (theirs? The apostrophe replaces an "i" - you're saying "there is") are sadly mistaken. They will agree with any group that opposes there (their!) beliefs until they can wiggle themselves into a position to attack, then they will kill anyone and anything that opposes their beliefs. It is a matter of Honor (yeah, right!) to them to make and break treaties, agreements or anything to gain the confidence of someone, then all Hell breaks loose! Do we have to experience something like 9/11 to have our eyes openened again! I spent 14 months as a guest over there in the sandbox and guys that would come in and work on the base and shake your hand and talk like you were there (their) friend, would be caught after hours launching mortars in on us! I lost 3 buddies because of them!....They need to be eradicated or they will not stop, never!

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Just curious, but who exactly are "they"?