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monitored.
The scariest book I ever read was Orwell's 1984.
Why does this proposed legislation scare me so much?

Bill proposes ISPs, Wi-Fi keep logs for police | Politics and Law - CNET News

I don't know. Is it because you are a bad man?
The whole big brother thing has it's pro's & con's. I am not comfortable with being watched too closely, but it helps catch criminals.

I'm also not bothered by this. Instead, I highly recommend getting ahead of the game and practice perfecting your Doublethink now rather than later.

If the government is going to get it's jollies out of watching me read books, chat on SRP, hone, shave and work with razors, watch me work, go to church, etc than I'll show em a real darn tootin good time.

Chris L

Come to Massachusetts.

There is serious talk of putting GPS chips in car inspection stickers. "They" only want to know how many miles you drive and bill you accordingly. And lets not talk about when the system is hacked and anyone can see your location.

y'all are missing the bad part. INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE AT HOME with wireless routers will be held criminally accountable if they get wardriven. This is a huge deal. A BAD deal.

Do you really want to have to keep logs of all that information, make regular backups, and purchase offsite storage in order to comply with the law? Dunno 'bout y'all, but I could do without the hassle.


Also, this in no way helps solve any kind of crime. It's silly and it's technologically infeasible to assume everyone will bother to do this. I don't care if some ancient senator who doesn't know anything about the "intarweb" thinks this will solve crimes. It won't solve squat, it's a tremendous waste of taxpayer money, and it needlessly violates the privacy of citizens as a guard against crimes they MIGHT commit someday.

If you're one of the ones who says, "a good person has nothing to hide" then I'd like to recommend that you report to the nearest jail and volunteer to be incarcerated... you know, just in case you were going to commit a crime some day.

Originally Posted by Stagehand

Putting GPS chips in car inspection stickers. "They" only want to know how many miles you drive and bill you accordingly.

I must say this is a good way to get rid of the socialist practice of everybody paying for the roads either equally, or based on what they earn, not how much they use.

Originally Posted by jockeys

y'all are missing the bad part. INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE AT HOME with wireless routers will be held criminally accountable if they get wardriven. This is a huge deal. A BAD deal.

Well if crimes can be committed over the internet, I guess it makes sense that some responsibility would be with those who provide the tools for these crimes.
I would think I would be held responsible if I leave my gun widely accessible and somebody takes it and goes on a killing rampage. Or may be I wouldn't - I'm not quite sure really.

It seems to me that as often the case is, the people with the money buy the laws they like. The only way for the people without the money to get their say is to get in sufficiently large numbers so that the lawmakers would have a slightly different cost/benefit problem to deal with (i.e. lose the money or lose the job). Of course there are lawmakers that make laws based on convictions, not on cost/benefit analysis, but I think they're a minority.

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Originally Posted by Stagehand Putting GPS chips in car inspection stickers. "They" only want to know how many miles you drive and bill you accordingly.

[quote=gugi;332057]I must say this is a good way to get rid of the socialist practice of everybody paying for the roads either equally, or based on what they earn, not how much they use.


If you want to charge per mile, Why not bill from the odometer reading that is recorded during the annual vehicle inspection required in Massachusetts. I find it hard to believe that the Commonwealth would charge for miles only driven in Mass. And how can you prove otherwise?
Several years ago Massachusetts tried to charge delinquent excise tax going back 15 years; and it was up to you to prove the Commonwealth wrong . Many people payed a second time only because they could not prove otherwise. Most people that I know keep records for no more than 7 years like the IRS suggests.
Please excuse the rant I just don't trust Big Brother

You already pay road usage taxes on the fuel you buy,the more you use the road the more fuel you burn, the more taxes you pay.

Originally Posted by Stagehand

I find it hard to believe that the Commonwealth would charge for miles only driven in Mass. And how can you prove otherwise?
Several years ago Massachusetts tried to charge delinquent excise tax going back 15 years; and it was up to you to prove the Commonwealth wrong . Many people payed a second time only because they could not prove otherwise. Most people that I know keep records for no more than 7 years like the IRS suggests.

LOL, this is fantastic!!! See, people extrapolate from the federal guidelines to the local government - I bet next time they'll follow the Commonwealth's own guidelines for conducting business with the comonwealth
Yes, sorry if I lived in MA it probably wouldn't be so funny.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

You already pay road usage taxes on the fuel you buy,the more you use the road the more fuel you burn, the more taxes you pay.

Since different cars use different amount of fuel per mile it is not too 'fair'. But since it all goes to the various governments either way I think I can look at it as part of the tax is just for the abuse of the road and the rest is for the abuse of the environment done by say the emissions.

Just say no!, folks. This sort of thing is like being guilty of a crime you haven't committed yet.