Thread: Any ballistic experts out there? JFK Assassination ?

Originally Posted by oldblades

Where did the bullet hole in the winshield come from?
The motorcycle officer on the over pass in front of the limo that was not suspose to be there and has not been accounted for.
Why did the driver slow down and have his foot on the brake instead of speeding up until after the fatal shot had been fired?
Why has every one conected to the event, ie; nurses, doctors, attendents, etc. died of quetionable deaths. 53 in all.

You follow the same tactics as the 911 conspiracy nuts. Asking questions in a way that makes people assume that there is a premise that makes them valid, and that absence of answers validates the questions.

Do you have references or sources for the things you mention? For example, the 53 people dying questionable deaths, where do you get this from? Is there a verified list containing 53 causes of death, with a reason to suspect that there was something nefarious going on?

Taking a look at whether a conspiracy occurred???

Basically it is a conspiracy as soon as anyone besides Oswald is involved with planning or executing the shooting....


What makes me think it was....
The paper trail, to many things came together to fast, way to many very, nice, neat, facts that popped up about Oswald, from the defection to Russia to his support of both sides of the Cuban affair, just way to neatly packaged for me to swallow that whole story.... The single biggest thing though is the Ruby shooting, that is just to coincidental...

What makes me pretty sure it wasn't...
Way to complicated, way to many people involved, I don't think there is anyway that so many people could have ever kept their mouths shut...

If they did, it is the one and only time in American history that it ever happened

Originally Posted by gssixgun

What makes me pretty sure it wasn't...
Way to complicated, way to many people involved, I don't think there is anyway that so many people could have ever kept their mouths shut...

If they did, it is the one and only time in American history that it ever happened

What about Roswell?

OK...so maybe it was the second time?

Originally Posted by AusTexShaver

What about Roswell?

OK...so maybe it was the second time?

Ohhhh Man thanks !!!!

I actually got a true belly laugh outta that one...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Taking a look at whether a conspiracy occurred???

Basically it is a conspiracy as soon as anyone besides Oswald is involved with planning or executing the shooting....


What makes me think it was....
The paper trail, to many things came together to fast, way to many very, nice, neat, facts that popped up about Oswald, from the defection to Russia to his support of both sides of the Cuban affair, just way to neatly packaged for me to swallow that whole story.... The single biggest thing though is the Ruby shooting, that is just to coincidental...

What makes me pretty sure it wasn't...
Way to complicated, way to many people involved, I don't think there is anyway that so many people could have ever kept their mouths shut...

If they did, it is the one and only time in American history that it ever happened

To reiterate an earlier point. If you weren't born yet or were too young to be cognizant of the event then the Kennedy assassination is similar to asking who the real Jack the Ripper was or whether Dr. Mudd knew that John Wilkes Booth had shot Lincoln when he set his leg and harbored the fugitive.

If you were old enough then the assassination was a major event in your life, like 9-11 and you will always remember where you were when you heard of it and the emotions that you felt. It is not a distant piece of history to those that experienced it.

I say that to say that for some of us it is not an interesting conundrum of past history. It is a tragic injustice that changed the course of history and the subsequent coverup is the greatest injustice of all.

We don't cry conspiracy regarding the assassination of RFK or the attempts on Governor Wallace, Presidents Reagan or Ford. The assassinations of the Reverend Dr. King and President Kennedy are a different matter.

As far as the 'someone would have talked by now" argument, where is Jimmy Hoffa Sr. and how was he killed ? There has been no Joe Valachi to spill the beans on that one for the past thirty years.

What if Oswald was really really a great shooter and got insanely lucky that day? And how about Ruby being an avenger of JFK, a man that dodn't want to leave the matter to the court and decided to avenge Kennedy by himself?... By the way... what happend to Ruby after that? Was he arrested and tried? What did he say?
This is strange... I wasn't here in 1963 so I cannot personaly relate to the events. Even if I were here already and grown up enough to understand the thing I would be living in a closed political regime that filtered a lot of information. But this is interesting... and I understand what Glen said: it is a long time to be quiet on something as big as this. Conspiracy or not, the death of JFK not only was a tragedy that changed the course of history (or some plan of making history) but also created a myth of enourmous proportions. And today, over 40 years after the day, we still wonder why and who and how...
In any case, I'll stand by my Onassis theory! :P

There is a movie out there where a guy named James Files says he was one of the multiple shooters in the JFK assassination. He says the gun that he used shot a .223 and that it was a bolt action pistol called a fireball. He shot once. There were two other shooters. Mr. Files claims that he was on the grassy knowl standing by a tree, and that the other shooters where in the buildings behind him. He also names Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswold as accomplices and that they were given FBI ID's the morning prior to the shooting. It is pretty interesting.

Google James Files and he comes up. I am curious if anyone else has seen this.
Will--

Originally Posted by undertakingyou

There is a movie out there where a guy named James Files says he was one of the multiple shooters in the JFK assassination. He says the gun that he used shot a .223 and that it was a bolt action pistol called a fireball. He shot once. There were two other shooters. Mr. Files claims that he was on the grassy knowl standing by a tree, and that the other shooters where in the buildings behind him. He also names Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswold as accomplices and that they were given FBI ID's the morning prior to the shooting. It is pretty interesting.

Google James Files and he comes up. I am curious if anyone else has seen this.
Will--

Seen that one and read more on it...

Quote}Gssixgun: Now lets look at the grassy knoll shot, many people believe that if this occurred, the shot was actually taken with a Remington XP and a .221 Fireball was used...

I know nothing of the JFK assassination other than the very basics and general idea of the consiparicy, but I find this thread extremely interesting!

At any rate, I was reading up on James Files on wikipedia, and I wasn't too too skeptical about his story until I read this:

Files at one point was close to being featured in an NBC documentary, but the deal fell through when NBC decided to check out his story, and hired Edward Epstein to vet it.:

In brief, NBC retained me as a consultant for their planned story on Files. I hired the detective firm of Jules Kroll. JK established from telephone records Files was in Chicago, not Dallas, on November 22,1963. We then placed a call to Files from Dick Clark's office (DC was producer), and I interviewed Files about Kroll findings. He said he had a twin brother, who no one knew about, and whom he met shortly before November 22, and who he murdered after November 22. He said it was his twin brother in hospital with his wife, not him. His wife, however, said there was no twin, and Kroll confirmed there was no twin. My view then and now is that Files invented the story for the money it would earn him. However, James Files, in a letter he wrote to Mrs. Pamela Ray, a person with whom he developed a close relationship, said: "The Kroll Agency tried everything they could to discredit me. One story they put out was that I couldn't have been in Dallas that day, as my wife was giving birth to our daughter that day. When I was asked about it, I said yes, I was at the hospital that day. But that means Kennedy was not assassinated until September 26, 1966. I said that is the day my daughter was born, go check the hospital records. That ended that." Dutch JFK researcher Wim Dankbaar also counters the claims. Dankbaar also published a phone conversation with Faith Files, ex-wife of Files, who corroborated a number of claims, disputed by others.

Seems a little suspicious to me. "Oh yeah, that was my twin brother that I had just found out about, but I murdered him soon after I found out about him." Then to lie about the whole conversation he'd had in a letter to a friend. Kind of rules out any truth to his story.

But then again, I guess it could be NBC's people, and/or Kroll who are the liars, who knows.

The part that still seems interesting to me is that he says he shot the shot, bit the bullet casing, and left it at the grassy knoll. And evidently, they dug up a bullet casing at the grassy knoll, exactly as he described, with, what a dentist confirmed to be, teeth marks in it. This part is particularly interesting.

Originally Posted by pjrage

But then again, I guess it could be NBC's people, and/or Kroll who are the liars, who knows.

My grandfather passed away when I was ten. I'm not sure how old I was when he told me,"Believe half of what you see and nothing that your read." I couldn't comprehend that for years thereafter but the older I get the more sense it makes to me. Especially with our news media print or otherwise.