Where are the Men of America!

[JMS]

I Like what this man has to say! Why don't we hear this from our elected representatives?
It seems we have only cowards, conmen, and opportunists in office looking only after their own fat ass!

YouTube - Daniel Hannan MEP: The devalued Prime Minister of a devalued Government

[majurey]

That's an angry young man alright, and it was great watching someone deliver such eloquent vitriol at our PM (our unelected PM!).

Hannan was on Newsnight last night (a longstanding BBC current affairs programme) and he was preaching how fiscal and economic policy is being directed by people who have not been democratically elected. OK, very good point. Except I find it hard to stomach coming from an MEP.

In the UK, I would say that most people have very little idea how MEPs are elected, and what they actually do. Given the endemic wastefulness within Brussels, the rhetoric, the stifling bureaucracy, and the opacity with which Brussels operates, it will take more than a rant to change anything.

If Hannan is serious, I would like to see him leave the safe cocoon of his political environ and instead 'return' home and do something about it from here -- he ain't gonna achieve squat (in terms of what he was ranting about) from his position as an MEP!

For now, AFAIC, it's just an amusing rant on Youtube which has hit no. 1 in the virals chart, which will be forgotten in two weeks, and the effect of which will be null. Shame, because he was making a great point.

[Galopede]

That's an angry young man alright, and it was great watching someone deliver such eloquent vitriol at our PM (our unelected PM!).

Why do people insist that Gordon the Moron Brown is unelected? As opposed to any other UK prime minister that is. Britain does NOT elect a prime minister as the USA elects a president.

The Prime Minister is the leader of the majority party in the Commons. He is not elected other than as a member of Parliament.

Bliar was the leader at the last election. Brown became PM the same way as some bloke called Churchill did a while ago!

That said, the youtube guy is pretty accurate!

Gareth

[majurey]

Why do people insist that Gordon the Moron Brown is unelected? As opposed to any other UK prime minister that is. Britain does NOT elect a prime minister as the USA elects a president.

The Prime Minister is the leader of the majority party in the Commons. He is not elected other than as a member of Parliament.

Bliar was the leader at the last election. Brown became PM the same way as some bloke called Churchill did a while ago!

That said, the youtube guy is pretty accurate!

Gareth

Although we don't directly elect the PM (i.e. there's no ballot with alternative PM names) we do normally vote at a general election where the leader of each party is explicit, noted and known. So, you hate Blair and would rather have electrodes inserted under your nails than have him as PM? OK then, don't vote New Labour. The point is, one has a vote which has an impact on which leader becomes PM.

If I think Cameron is a baby-faced populist turd, then I can vote anything but Conservative at the next election. He might still get in, but at least it will be because the Torys won more votes (put simplistically).

But Brown... well. No general election... in fact, he has deliberately left it as long as possible. I think that's pretty undemocratic.

And if Churchill obtained his post the same way, then that doesn't make it a valid reason to continue working this way. Perhaps we were lucky, or perhaps the circumstances were so extreme at the time that the populace were focusing on that instead. I didn't live through Churchillian times, but I'm sure as hell living through Brownian motions... and boy do they stink! All the more for the fact that he was not the leader of the party when I voted last time and yet he is now leader of the government.

It ain't right.

[Spike J]

Why do people insist that Gordon the Moron Brown is unelected? As opposed to any other UK prime minister that is. Britain does NOT elect a prime minister as the USA elects a president.

The Prime Minister is the leader of the majority party in the Commons. He is not elected other than as a member of Parliament.

Bliar was the leader at the last election. Brown became PM the same way as some bloke called Churchill did a while ago!

Although we don't directly elect the PM (i.e. there's no ballot with alternative PM names) we do normally vote at a general election where the leader of each party is explicit, noted and known. So, you hate Blair and would rather have electrodes inserted under your nails than have him as PM? OK then, don't vote New Labour. The point is, one has a vote which has an impact on which leader becomes PM.

If I think Cameron is a baby-faced populist turd, then I can vote anything but Conservative at the next election. He might still get in, but at least it will be because the Torys won more votes (put simplistically).

But Brown... well. No general election... in fact, he has deliberately left it as long as possible. I think that's pretty undemocratic.

And if Churchill obtained his post the same way, then that doesn't make it a valid reason to continue working this way. Perhaps we were lucky, or perhaps the circumstances were so extreme at the time that the populace were focusing on that instead. I didn't live through Churchillian times, but I'm sure as hell living through Brownian motions... and boy do they stink! All the more for the fact that he was not the leader of the party when I voted last time and yet he is now leader of the government.

It ain't right.

One of the many things that irritates me about Godawful Brown, apart from his fiscal idiocy, is that not only was he unelected by the British electorate, but also by his party. There was no election by either the parliamentary or the general membership of the Labour Party. Unelected, however you care to define it.

Churchill became PM in time of war & did a blinding job. Brown became PM because Blair quit. If Brown had any honour, he would have called a general election within six months. Yet here we are nearly two years down the road & there is still no sign that he has any desire to call that election & leave No 10. We probably will get Cameron as our next PM purely as an electoral reaction to twelve years of hard Labour. We do not live in a true democracy for the simple reason that whoever is resident in Downing Street is put there by the voters of marginal constituencies. If you believe that we live in a democracy at all.

[jnich67]

I Like what this man has to say! Why don't we hear this from our elected representatives?
It seems we have only cowards, conmen, and opportunists in office looking only after their own fat ass!

YouTube - Daniel Hannan MEP: The devalued Prime Minister of a devalued Government

[JimmyHAD]

Am I mistaken or is every man and woman in congress at least a millionaire ? What do they know about the struggle the unwashed masses go through and why wouldn't their constituency be people of their own social strata ? Water finds it's level. Not saying it's right just the way it is. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Always have, always will.

[jnich67]

Am I mistaken or is every man and woman in congress at least a millionaire ? What do they know about the struggle the unwashed masses go through and why wouldn't their constituency be people of their own social strata ? Water finds it's level. Not saying it's right just the way it is. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Always have, always will.

Why do we keep electing them?

There are self-made millionairs and I think they know a little about what it takes. There are also millionairs who make good politicians, but we choose to keep electing bad ones. I don't know...

Jordan

[JohnP]

Oh, It's simple enough I think.
The "good ones" are lambasted in the media, and the "bad ones" are willing to promise anything to anyone to get elected. The old P.T. Barnum quote "There's a sucker born every minute" or some such, applies here...only now that sucker is called a "voter" and while there are a few who see through the BS, there are unfortunately huge masses who believe whatever the TV implies they should believe, and vote for whoever promises not to kill Panda bears....or whatever other empty promise they think the politician has the slightest control over.

We get officials we deserve, I think, even if not the ones we need.

The "good guys" get hushed up very quickly, or do not get enough coverage to mean anything-the media seems to support one way of thinking only, after all. All others, good or bad...need not apply unless they have reams of money behind them.

It also pays to have a multi billionaire supporting one's campaign for free, as well.


John P.

[majurey]

Our politicians are not millionaires, but they are stupid. And we continue to elect them.

Maybe electorates worldwide are only able to elect idiots?