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    yep, its all about the atmospheric conditions. Under some they stay longer and with others the remain. Mostly wind actually and the fronts that come through. Most of those aircraft fly between 30-40,000 feet where the temperature is about -40 degrees C and the moisture is about zero.

    Most civilian aircraft burn much cleaner than military. the civilian versions have to meet strict noise and pollution guidelines. the Military can do anything they damn well please.

    I live in central N.M which is a main crossover for intercontinental flights and at any time you can see at least a dozen contrails in the sky. Some days they last forever and some days they disappear very rapidly.
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    Yes, it is correct htat there are almost no humidity up there, but I as talking about Relative humidity which is a measurement of how saturated the air is. 100% relative humidity is the point where the atmosphere is no longer able to keep the moisture in as a gas and it condensates. For clouds to exist the air around them has to be close to 100% relative humidity. The same goes for contrails. If the air has a low relative humidity they will disappear relatively fast and if the air has a high relative humidity they will last for a long time, sometimes even trigger a cloud-layer to form.

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    I, too, have wondered about contrails and their longevity. I don't know if it is true or not, but I have heard that chemicals are sometimes used for weather predicting purposes. It is supposed to make it easier to track cloud and wind formations at different altitudes when it is hard to see through different layers of the atmosphere. Again, I have no idea about the correctness of that statement. It makes some sense to me, though, as they would be able to collect data from a line a mile wide rather than data from a line going straight up, like with a weather baloon.

    As far as doping the general public from that altitude, there just aren't enough chemicals in a contrail to do it. Not to mention that the chemicals would be miles away before they reached the ground, if they reached the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycliff200843 View Post
    I, too, have wondered about contrails and their longevity. I don't know if it is true or not, but I have heard that chemicals are sometimes used for weather predicting purposes. It is supposed to make it easier to track cloud and wind formations at different altitudes when it is hard to see through different layers of the atmosphere. Again, I have no idea about the correctness of that statement. It makes some sense to me, though, as they would be able to collect data from a line a mile wide rather than data from a line going straight up, like with a weather baloon.

    As far as doping the general public from that altitude, there just aren't enough chemicals in a contrail to do it. Not to mention that the chemicals would be miles away before they reached the ground, if they reached the ground.
    very true.

    Its one of the reasons all your high cirrus clouds are ice xtls not actual water vapor. When the exhaust comes out of a plane at those high altitudes it almost immediately forms ice xtls and then evaporates. You never have to worry about icing at those altitudes. The relative humidity may very well be 100% meaning the air won't hold the moisture but if the moisture is so low to begin with there ain't really enough of it to do much. Its one of the reasons if you go to the south pole the humidity (absolute) is very low and the relative is very high and contrary to popular belief antarctica is really a desert. They get small snow falls and it just builds up because of the cold. Once a little moisture builds up it just snows. The wind just wips it up to blizzard conditions.
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    Yikes, I haven't seen any particulates float to the ground that I'm aware of. Legal for the government to perform tests on the public without the public's knowledge? What was THAT about???

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    This documentary produced by chemtrail researcher Clifford Carnicom is a must see, if your interested in them.
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    Ok, I will tell you guys something off the record: When the FAA sent me my CPL (commercial pilot license) it was a letter with it stating that they "can suspend or revoke this license without further notice if information regarding health and enviornmental issues is disclosed to the public"

    Also when I used to work as a mechanic on jets we always left an open spot on the engine where some kind of injector would be attached. The guys doing that last bit of work came and left in white vans and never spoke to anyone. Whenever we asked what they did the supervisors told us to keep away if we wanted to keep our jobs.

    Let's hope they cannot track me down from this forum!!

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    Barium's not that bad. Especially in that amount. Go down to the hospital and they will let you chug a good amount of it for certain tests.

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