Thread: Oklahoma Incident

Originally Posted by joesixpack

As to the question of "Shooting to kill", I have always been told that the objective is to "shoot to stop", meaning center of mass. Of course, shooting to stop effectivly is very likely to kill the target, but that is not your concern. The distinction seems academic, really.

as Clint Smith (founder of Thunder Ranch) once so humorously told me: "forget shooting to stop, shoot to kill. he'll stop when he's dead."

Originally Posted by jockeys

as Clint Smith (founder of Thunder Ranch) once so humorously told me: "forget shooting to stop, shoot to kill. he'll stop when he's dead."

Originally Posted by Bruno

I just had a look at those guns. That is the sort of thing I would choose for CCW. And by the looks of it, these are not that much more difficult to carry and conceal than the 0.38

well considering the width of the cylinder, no they aren't any wider
the only thing I would point out is that square guns print more

I personally like the flatest possible gun.
my personal carry next to a nitecore D10 and Robeson ShurEdge early 43 production

Originally Posted by Bruno

I just had a look at those guns. That is the sort of thing I would choose for CCW. And by the looks of it, these are not that much more difficult to carry and conceal than the 0.38

well considering the width of the cylinder, no they aren't any wider
the only thing I would point out is that square guns print more

I personally like the flatest possible gun.
my personal carry next to a nitecore D10 and Robeson ShurEdge early 43 production

the gun measure 1.02 at the widest point
it's very big, but very flat
it matches the heaviest 180gr handload in a 357 with a six inch barrel
and it does it with 4 more rounds, a larger diameter bullet, one inch less barrel, and half the width
180gr Gold Dot @ 1350+ = 700 pounds of head splattering fun

It's too much by far for most people (including the FBI) but I can shoot it very well and it hits like Mjollnir.
It also takes me far beyond defense and into the realm of an offensive handgun.
I'm an offensive guy right? Why shouldn't my gun match?

Originally Posted by Bruno

Silly question, but is there a reason that the slide and the frame have different colors, other than aesthetic?

I believe those were all polymer frame guns so the frame will be black, grey, green, desert, etc.

The silver slides are usually stainless
some stainless are coated to whatever color, usually black
some coated slides are carbon steel, and hence the coating
some carbon steel slides are blued, and you can tell these right off

Originally Posted by jockeys

as Clint Smith (founder of Thunder Ranch) once so humorously told me: "forget shooting to stop, shoot to kill. he'll stop when he's dead."

As I said, it's internet lawyer advice, but I'll say this; If you ever have to fire your gun in self defense, it would be a giant mistake to admit to an LEO or in court that your intent was to kill someone. An agressive prosecutor can and will make hay with that, not to mention how a plaintif's lawer would use that information in a civil case. You may has well hand them your ass on a platter.

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

well considering the width of the cylinder, no they aren't any wider
the only thing I would point out is that square guns print more

I personally like the flatest possible gun.
my personal carry next to a nitecore D10 and Robeson ShurEdge early 43 production

well considering the width of the cylinder, no they aren't any wider
the only thing I would point out is that square guns print more

I personally like the flatest possible gun.
my personal carry next to a nitecore D10 and Robeson ShurEdge early 43 production

the gun measure 1.02 at the widest point
it's very big, but very flat
it matches the heaviest 180gr handload in a 357 with a six inch barrel
and it does it with 4 more rounds, a larger diameter bullet, one inch less barrel, and half the width
180gr Gold Dot @ 1350+ = 700 pounds of head splattering fun

It's too much by far for most people (including the FBI) but I can shoot it very well and it hits like Mjollnir.
It also takes me far beyond defense and into the realm of an offensive handgun.
I'm an offensive guy right? Why shouldn't my gun match?



I believe those were all polymer frame guns so the frame will be black, grey, green, desert, etc.

The silver slides are usually stainless
some stainless are coated to whatever color, usually black
some coated slides are carbon steel, and hence the coating
some carbon steel slides are blued, and you can tell these right off

Pretty sad that you feel the need to suit up like you're Rambo every time you go to the store for some milk or something.

Originally Posted by Blade Wielder

Pretty sad that you feel the need to suit up like you're Rambo every time you go to the store for some milk or something.

Not as sad as anyone who tries to mess with him though, eh?

I'd say a gun is like a car seat belt. Does nothing 99.9% of the time, but if it saves your life you sure are glad you had it.

Originally Posted by Blade Wielder

Pretty sad that you feel the need to suit up like you're Rambo every time you go to the store for some milk or something.

yeah..... I'll go count up how many people have gone to jail because of a run in with me.

When you are in the grocery store with your gallon of milk and arms full of hamburger buns, soda, and some onions and from behind you hear
" HEY !! That's HIM !!"
then you know there are at least two of them

your heart skips a beat, or maybe three

Originally Posted by Rajagra

Not as sad as anyone who tries to mess with him though, eh?

I'd say a gun is like a car seat belt. Does nothing 99.9% of the time, but if it saves your life you sure are glad you had it.

Damn skippy Skippy!


you crash one out of every 1000 drives in a car?

the number is smaller, by far
but you still wear your belt, at least I do

oh, I don't carry the knife AND the gun
that would just be stupid and paint me in a bad light if I ever did shoot someone

I added the knife because most people know about what size Ka-Bar knives are.
This is a Robeson and just a hair bigger, but gives an idea of size anyway.