Quote Originally Posted by Seraphim View Post
Is that just your opinion, or has that been legally argued and ruled on?

I am prety sure the case has been tried and decided, though not by SCOTUS. Not positve, though.

Instead of allowing whatever happens within the womb to be argued as some sort of mystery, legally speaking (i.e.- we don't really know when a fetus becomes a human, etc. etc) and talking about it circumspectly, my opinion versus yours, how about arguing the case directly based on genetic data that will most certainly show that the cells with the womb are most certainly distinct from the mother's own, and therefore they should not fall under the ability of the mother to do as she pleases with them?

Well, I am not "allowing" it...I think it is neccesary. just because it is genetically separate doesn't make it a human with rights that are on par with the woman.

Well, aren't there laws on the books dealing with the fact that indeed mothers (and fathers) do already have to care for their children, or be charged with neglect, child abuse, etc? Is that an unfair position for the government to take? Why can't they just stay out of the whole thing?

There is no longer doubt, once they are children, that they are humans with those rights.

Sorry, no time at the moment to break it out into separate quotes. My day looks like it is going to end on a busy note, like it started, so it looks like I'll have to sign off the debate for today. As always, thanks to all who make me question my own position.