Thread: Carbon tax?

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Are you getting the hint that I really dont believe the whole Carbon is killing the planet thing?????

I've been saying it for years:

hippies cause global warming. the whole "carbon" thing is just a smokescreen to exonerate the hippies.

The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. —Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Originally Posted by gssixgun

This was started after record cold temperatures were set in the last few years world wide...

Haven't you heard? According to the experts, cold temperatures are consistent with global warming theory.

Hot temperatures are consistent with global warming theory.
Wet weather is consistent with global warming theory.
Dry weather is consistent with global warming theory.
Stormy weather is consistent with global warming theory.
Calm weather is consistent with global warming theory.

Whatever you witness, it's all consistent with global warming theory. There is no such thing as evidence that disproves global warming.

That's how they know it's real.

it's called argument from ignorance
or argumentum ad ignorantium (sp)

"anything proves anything" come to mind but I'mnot sure what that fallacy is called

let say that the global warming is a myth...
just for the sake of argument...
would you willing to put a carbon emitting factory in your neighborhood?
can you say we dont need to be more friendly with our environment (clean oxygen and water)?
i can see the use of co tax even if its not because of global warming...

Another question?
Is there any study about what company say that global warming is not real?
I have a feeling that there is we would see a connection between companies who produce the most co2 and those who say global warming is fake...

everyone have their agenda...environmentalist and non environmentalist!

Originally Posted by pio

let say that the global warming is a myth...
just for the sake of argument...
would you willing to put a carbon emitting factory in your neighborhood?
can you say we dont need to be more friendly with our environment (clean oxygen and water)?
i can see the use of co tax even if its not because of global warming...

Another question?
Is there any study about what company say that global warming is not real?
I have a feeling that there is we would see a connection between companies who produce the most co2 and those who say global warming is fake...

everyone have their agenda...environmentalist and non environmentalist!

It depends how the factory would handle particulates in the emissions. If it was a factory powered by MacGyver'd 19th century black coal smoke belching locomotive engines, no. If it was a factory that emitted clean carbon dioxide gas and steam or some such things, bring it on! The vegetation around me would love it and thank us with a photosynthetic gift of oxygen.

Also, IF global warming resulting in significant part by our behavior were true (let's assume for the sake of argument that it could be), I'm not sure that's such a bad thing. In doing just five minutes of interesting reading, apparently the Earth has been and continues to be in an interglacial period known as the Holocene period. An ice age. We're still currently considered to be in an ice age since the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets still exist. I guess I don't know which would be more detrimental to human life on this planet; An extreme ice age or a desert planet (it's a serious question)? I'm sure we could devise ways of living in underground dwellings to escape the heat, but with all plant life dead on a frozen planet even with geo-thermal heating, we'd probably get tired of eating lichen.

Maybe rather than try to avert a warming planet we should do anything possible to figure out how to counter another ice age or worse a "snowball" planet where the entire earth's surface is in a deep freeze.


Chris L

Originally Posted by ChrisL

It depends how the factory would handle particulates in the emissions. If it was a factory powered by MacGyver'd 19th century black coal smoke belching locomotive engines, no. If it was a factory that emitted clean carbon dioxide gas and steam or some such things, bring it on! The vegetation around me would love it and thank us with a photosynthetic gift of oxygen.



Chris L

problem is to be clean cost money...we live in a capitalist society...and as one you want to make the most money while spending the least...
That's why they move jobs to China, Mexico, India and such....they dont care about the environment, they dont care about companies throwing whatever they want to the air or water as long as they give them money.

Do you really think the only thing ANY factory would throw to the air is just "clean CO2" and steam?

There is no clean CO2.

let say a power plant. Are you willing to let a "clean carbon" power plant on your neighborhood?
its just "clean" CO2 and steam...

What about a TV factory?
What about a pharmaceutical?

companies would clean up their act, but they will want to keep their margins.

So now you have a clean factory but you are paying 3x as much their goods. And then you start buying cheap stuff from other countries...and then the clean factory have to close and move manufacturing to china to compete, and we lose jobs, and then we complain and say the government dont do anything about it, then when they let companies do what ever they want, they destroy the enviroment (water, air, soil, etc, not just "global warming") and then people complain about the enviroment, sue the goverment over the laws, sue the companies over the enviroment and the company have to close and move manufactoring to china to compete and we lose jobs...and repeat!

Originally Posted by pio

let say that the global warming is a myth...
just for the sake of argument...
would you willing to put a carbon emitting factory in your neighborhood?
can you say we dont need to be more friendly with our environment (clean oxygen and water)?
i can see the use of co tax even if its not because of global warming...

Another question?
Is there any study about what company say that global warming is not real?
I have a feeling that there is we would see a connection between companies who produce the most co2 and those who say global warming is fake...

everyone have their agenda...environmentalist and non environmentalist!

Hell yea. With all the unemployment around here I would put anything that helped people put food on their table in my backyard. We need more carbon emitting factories, in fact we need manufacturing of all types.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

in fact we need manufacturing of all types.

Amen to that. Not to offend anyone, but it should have been apparent to even a dolt that our nations shift from a product/manufacturing contender to an import purchasing nation almost exclusively would make our economy so anemic and sickly like it is now, that it would be near impossible for us to recover.

Chris L

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Amen to that. Not to offend anyone, but it should have been apparent to even a dolt that our nations shift from a product/manufacturing contender to an import purchasing nation almost exclusively would make our economy so anemic and sickly like it is now, that it would be near impossible for us to recover.

Chris L

Do not worry, the current administration will re-inflate the bubble soon, we are back in 2001 and spending our way into hell.