Thread: BillyJeff 2 Gave me an idea.

I agree with everything Mr Orange has said

while I fully agree with the Conservative concept of pulling your own bootstraps, I think a nation as developed as ours should guarantee some basic services.

aren't we at least THAT good?

I'm sure we all have a lot of ins and outs on each side. I tend to lean pretty far toward the conservative side, but I'm not a "party line" Republican (although I think the Republican party is actually liberal now), or any other "party". General guideline is I think people should be allowed to do what they want so long as they're not hurting other people. The biggest problem I have is it seems like government (in the US at least) doesn't do anything of value.
Also, the hypocracy of blaming the worlds problems on the "evil rich" people, when members of congress make $250k/year and in most cases were millionaires before even running for congress is tiring. IIRC $250k/year automatically puts you in the top 5% and you lose the claim of being "an average joe".

I...Wow. I never ever thought I'd say it...but I agree with GWH.

Any society that aspires to be a great should at least take care of it's citizens basic needs--and health care is a basic need.

I'm very liberal, in the true sense of the word. I think people SHOULD be free to do what they want most of the time. Let them have guns and take drugs and be polygamists. But let them do it in good health, with a fair chance of getting a good meal even if they lost their job and their savings because of corporate malfeasance.

Originally Posted by JimR

I...Wow. I never ever thought I'd say it...but I agree with GWH.

Any society that aspires to be a great should at least take care of it's citizens basic needs--and health care is a basic need.

THANK ME !! (jk)

I don't agree with FDR and his Second Bill of Rights, but I feel like something better is almost a birthright for US citizens.
(excluding those who became so under a gross misapplication of Sec 1 of the 14th Amendment)

beyond that I disagree with most social programs

when you give a man something, you take away his pride

under 40, more than one college degree, libertarian.

liberal and conservatives are the same these days... all of 'em are lobbyist whores and big government stooges.

I'm a libertarian, so no choice for me.

In everything except drug use, I am a Libertarian. IMHO...NOBODY has a right to recreational drug use!

Originally Posted by Brother Jeeter

In everything except drug use, I am a Libertarian. IMHO...NOBODY has a right to recreational drug use!

so you aren't a coffee drinker?

tea?

zero caffeine?

also a non smoker?

beer wine or liquor?

ladies and gentlemen what we have here is a mormon

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

so you aren't a coffee drinker?

tea?

zero caffeine?

also a non smoker?

beer wine or liquor?

ladies and gentlemen what we have here is a mormon

he's explained his views on this in another thread... even though i disagree with him for idealogical reasons, he has a well thought out position and he and the other libertarians here (e.g. me and a few others) have a respectful mutual understanding.

Originally Posted by jockeys

under 40, more than one college degree, libertarian.

liberal and conservatives are the same these days... all of 'em are lobbyist whores and big government stooges.

As I have tried to explain before, being a liberal or a conservative, in my view, is a mindset not a party affiliation there are very few conservatives in government yet quite a few Republicans that can't even stand for what they claim to believe in. I do however believe a very large portion of our country (more than half) have a conservative mindset or lean in that direction. Why do I say that? because for the most part, a democrat to be elected he has to tout a more conservative point of view to be elected than what their records would indicate. once elected, all bets are off. you see this with the republicans too.

I agree with you for the most part jockeys. most in government are the same these days. We need to hold everyone of them accountable!
For what its worth Jockeys, I feel the mindset of a libertarian is closer to conservative than liberal based on the viewpoints of libertarians.