Thread: BillyJeff 2 Gave me an idea.

I...Wow. I never ever thought I'd say it...but I agree with GWH.

Any society that aspires to be a great should at least take care of it's citizens basic needs--and health care is a basic need.

I'm very liberal, in the true sense of the word. I think people SHOULD be free to do what they want most of the time. Let them have guns and take drugs and be polygamists. But let them do it in good health, with a fair chance of getting a good meal even if they lost their job and their savings because of corporate malfeasance.

Originally Posted by JimR

I...Wow. I never ever thought I'd say it...but I agree with GWH.

Any society that aspires to be a great should at least take care of it's citizens basic needs--and health care is a basic need.

THANK ME !! (jk)

I don't agree with FDR and his Second Bill of Rights, but I feel like something better is almost a birthright for US citizens.
(excluding those who became so under a gross misapplication of Sec 1 of the 14th Amendment)

beyond that I disagree with most social programs

when you give a man something, you take away his pride

under 40, more than one college degree, libertarian.

liberal and conservatives are the same these days... all of 'em are lobbyist whores and big government stooges.

Originally Posted by jockeys

under 40, more than one college degree, libertarian.

liberal and conservatives are the same these days... all of 'em are lobbyist whores and big government stooges.

As I have tried to explain before, being a liberal or a conservative, in my view, is a mindset not a party affiliation there are very few conservatives in government yet quite a few Republicans that can't even stand for what they claim to believe in. I do however believe a very large portion of our country (more than half) have a conservative mindset or lean in that direction. Why do I say that? because for the most part, a democrat to be elected he has to tout a more conservative point of view to be elected than what their records would indicate. once elected, all bets are off. you see this with the republicans too.

I agree with you for the most part jockeys. most in government are the same these days. We need to hold everyone of them accountable!
For what its worth Jockeys, I feel the mindset of a libertarian is closer to conservative than liberal based on the viewpoints of libertarians.

I'm more liberal at home than I am in the voting booth

my college education was a technical degree and the few liberal classes I took did not seem influential to me

Originally Posted by JMS

For what its worth Jockeys, I feel the mindset of a libertarian is closer to conservative than liberal based on the viewpoints of libertarians.

not really. libertarians are very very liberal on social issues, and very very conservative on fiscal issues.

so neither conservative nor liberal. the only guiding principle for the libertarian is that making the gov't bigger or more powerful is ALWAYS a bad thing, and maximizing personal liberty is priority 1.

conservatives traditionally limit personal liberty on social issues (abortion, gay marriage, drug use, etc.) while liberals want to limit your liberty on fiscal issues (socialized healthcare, welfare, etc.)

the libertarian philosophy is that the closer you are to anarchy, the better. neither side seems to understand that. they both want to whittle your freedom away, just in different areas.

Didn't vote in this poll but I'm younger than 40 w/ degree, libertarian. Member of the communist party, registered republican, and voted Obama. Really wanted Ron Paul to be the GOP's nominee.

Originally Posted by commiecat

Didn't vote in this poll but I'm younger than 40 w/ degree, libertarian. Member of the communist party, registered republican, and voted Obama. Really wanted Ron Paul to be the GOP's nominee.

You sound a tad confused.

Geez it really isn't that tuff...

Even a staunch Conservative as myself has a few "Liberal" views on certain issues... You just have to decide which of those issues are your personal trigger tripper...

What is the 1 -3 issues that you don't waver on....

Like for me, my number one issue is gun control if you are anti-gun you don't get my vote period ....

Next issue is the border, don't even talk to me unless closing it is first on your list of solutions...

Health care HA !!!! you have to work around that wording in there that says every "US Citizen" before you even talk to me...

Now on the reverse farther down on my list is say Birth Control/ Abortion, I am quite liberal there but it is not a trigger tripper for me...

So even a conservative can have liberal thoughts, but which are the most important issues to you....

Thanks Glen!
Sometimes I think people can clearly understand me because I clearly understand me and find no need to elaborate, but after reading your post I think I better start elaborating on what I believe to be obvious to most.