One related to the joke thread controversy

[billyjeff2]

W.W.J.D.??

[JMS]

W.W.J.D.??

What Would Jefferson Do? Who knows? But you might find the answer in Americas founding papers.

[JimmyHAD]

Science is the answer, not vengeance.

I call it retribution.

[gratewhitehuntr]

W.W.J.D.??

What Would Jefferson Do? Who knows? But you might find the answer in Americas founding papers.

and I quote

"The best remedy for the disposition of a scoundrel is hanging."

this is attributable to Jefferson

(and me 15 posts ago) thank me

[JimmyHAD]

and I quote



this is attributable to Jefferson

(and me 15 posts ago) thank me

General George Washington on British spy Major John Andre, "That Major Andre General to the British Army ought to be considered as a spy from the Enemy and that agreeable to the law and usage of nations it is their opinion he ought to suffer death…The Commander in Chief directs the execution of the above sentence in the usual way this afternoon at five o'clock precisely." The 'usual way' being hanging. Major Andre requested to be shot but was hung.

[Oglethorpe]

We have serial killers here in Canada too, but they don't get 'the chair'. Instead they get studied and counseled to the great financial relief of the taxpayer, because we all know that the appeal process for death penalty inmates is extremely prohibitive. We've gotten so good at it now that such individuals have actually said that they hope they are never again released into society because they know they will kill again. Science is the answer, not vengeance.

I find it extremely hard to believe that this works, even in a minority of cases. I didn't watch the video yet, but I can guarantee you that even a video (regardless of what it portrays) will not be enough to convince me. I'm not sure anybody (canadian or otherwise) can guarantee with certainty that Ted Bundy + "therapy"/"counseling" + more jail time = less desire to slaughter people.

If there's a book on this with reliable sources I'll read it.

EDIT: Call me old fashioned, but I'm with Jimmy on this one. Some people need to fry.

EDIT EDIT: I watched the video and my suspicions are substantiated. There are too many variables to consider for counseling to be a viable option for serial killers. Sure it may work for some, but you can't just implement these measures under the assumption that it will work for everybody.

[JimR]

You pay your money and take your chances!

Well, good luck to us all, then...

[Wildtim]

[QUOTE=xman;422627]I certainly do and we keep those people incarcerated for life for the protection of the community.[QUOTE=xman;422627]

But we don't there are list of people sent to jail for "life" who have through good behavior been let out. My home state just had our Governor release one of them this year. He was sentenced To "life without the possibility of parole", yet was freed over the opposition of both the prosecutor the attorney general and the surviving relatives of his victim.

Even if we Kept them in jail "for life" that would just be "death by natural causes" why not get it over with sooner? The ancient Romans believed that it was far more merciful to kill a man than to imprison him, that was why they couldn't even imprison citizens they were either killed or exiled from Roman lands.

same answer

Same refutation

Not at all, but above your right to act as part of a collective murderer yourself. By simply saying "kill 'em", we become the very monsters we abhor and, worse still, we support and engender the murderous actions so that others may feel justified in killing too.

Murder is unlawful killing. Sentencing someone to death is lawful, therefore it is not nor can it be murder. In fact it is killing in self defense on a societal scale. Society chooses to remove a part of itself that it has decided is a constant danger, just like killing someone who is trying to kill you or your family.

We have serial killers here in Canada too, but they don't get 'the chair'. Instead they get studied and counseled to the great financial relief of the taxpayer, because we all know that the appeal process for death penalty inmates is extremely prohibitive. We've gotten so good at it now that such individuals have actually said that they hope they are never again released into society because they know they will kill again. Science is the answer, not vengeance.

Why bother to council them if they need to be locked up for life. If you want to learn something try Schrodinger's famous experiment with them, I bet a truly conscious subject might make for more interesting results.

The answer to the cost issue is to speed up the process, it doesn't have to be a drawn out or as expensive as it is. The escalating costs are due not to a reasonable safeguard but to unreasonable people who have manged to contaminate a straightforward process with red tape in there efforts to enact a de facto ban on the death penalty. They do this because they know reasonable people feel that the option to give the ultimate penalty must exist for the safety of us all.

[JMS]

Well, good luck to us all, then...

Thats kind of how I feel. Either every step you take is a potential pitfall or you do what you have to do and trust that a higher authority than humans will sort it out in the end.

[Wildtim]

W.W.J.D.??

Matthew 5:21-22 (New International Version)

21"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.


The "Judgment" under Mosaic law was death.

Knowing he would have to suffer it in the end you'd think he might be more opposed to it, yet somehow he knew it had its place.