View Poll Results: Who do you "pray" to?

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  • Flying Spaghetti Monster

    14 13.21%
  • Invisable Pink Unicorn

    10 9.43%
  • God

    62 58.49%
  • Allah

    6 5.66%
  • Myself

    17 16.04%
  • Earth Spirits

    9 8.49%
  • Indigenous Deities

    8 7.55%
  • "The Old Ones"

    9 8.49%
  • Some one living in the 9 planes of hell

    4 3.77%
  • Other

    17 16.04%
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    Quote Originally Posted by xman View Post
    Absolutely not. Science requires no faith(unsubstantiated belief), indeed demands it. Atheism is simply the state of mind of the scientifically motivated. You must be equivocating upon the word 'faith' to be either substantiated(definition 1 below) or unsubstantiated(definition 2) belief.

    from my Dictionary:
    aith |feɪθ|
    noun
    1 complete trust or confidence in someone or something : this restores one's faith in politicians.
    2 strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
    • a system of religious belief : the Christian faith.
    • a strongly held belief or theory : the faith that life will expand until it fills the universe.

    Ahh.

    Well, I must say that I disagree with your position stated above.

    Science, I agree, has nothing to do with faith, as both that clip, and you say.

    However, atheism is a whole 'nother ball of wax:

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    Use atheism in a Sentence

    –noun
    1.the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
    2.disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.



    "Atheism is simply the state of mind of the scientifically motivated. "

    That statement is untrue, yet quite telling of where many working in the field of science are coming from. Which is why the opening (01:05) of the following clip falls under the category of "methinks he doth protest too much"

    YouTube - Craig Venter - The Genius of Charles Darwin: The Uncut Interviews - Richard Dawkins


    Especially when you take into account the very biased viewpoint of the man making that statement:
    http://richarddawkins.net/article,31...ichard-Dawkins

    The fact is, that many in the scientific field are indeed approaching their research trying to disprove God, and not simply let the evidence and facts guide them.

    Many atheists do use science to support their viewpoint, and (un)belief. But that doesn't mean science belongs only to the atheists. Nor does it necessarily support their claims.

    Science itself has no belief, and is not interested in the proof, or disproof of God, is it? It can only be used as a tool for investigation of the physical world.

    I myself work in the scientific field. I build picosecond lasers (A picosecond is one trillionth, or one millionth of one millionth of a second, or 0.000 000 000 001 seconds just as an aside) for a living. I'm very scientifically motivated.

    In my opinion science excels in the "how" of things, but it has very little to do with the "why" of things.

    Experiments also depend greatly upon how they are designed. Many times measurement error appears as data, unless the cause is considered. If I am doing an investigation and say to myself before I begin "It's not the oscillator overthruster, I'm sure of it, it must be the twangle dangle, or the flagellator accelerator..."

    Well, you know what, It may well have been an issue with the oscillator overthruster after all.... but I, as the engineer injected myself, and my viewpoint into the design of the experiment, and thus may have missed the mark completely.

    Science, in the fact that it has human scientists, is not perfect.
    Last edited by Seraphim; 08-06-2009 at 07:34 PM.

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