Thread: HealthCare Speech - What did you think?

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

This proves to me that he is no fool. He hears the advice of the intelligence community and the military and acts upon it. Call him weak but I think he is a tough and savvy pol who is doing what it takes to protect the country from the bad guys who would slit all of our throats if they had half a chance.

Edit; If he didn't do it you'd knock him for that. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

I was pointing to his inconsistencies not whether they are right or wrong. If what you say is true He owes a big apology to Bush or at least an explanation to the American people. When he is forthright I will begin to believe he is honest and that he is taking sound advice.

One thing I would like to point out about the government and their managing of our money...

Having just dealt with this

3 billion for Cash 4 Clunkers Wooooooo what a great success !!!!!

HA !!!

Here ya go guys

1.5 Billion to Administrate the system (that went to somebody's friends I am pretty sure)

1.5 Billion to the Auto Dealers


Money so far paid to the Dealers who were in bad shape before this great GOVERNMENT program???? less than 14%

The Auto Dealers are at this moment funding the Cash 4 Clunker program...
Now do you think the hospitals could survive such ADMINISTRATION?????

There are friends of mine that are sitting on over 1.5 million in promised C4C money that is still owed them...
We at our little dealership only did 10 C4C deals we were paid on 2 so we are ahead of the 14% curve...

Yeah I don't see giving the government any more of my money to manage for me...


I have a great idea, how about you give me a $4000 tax break and I buy my own damn health insurance?????? Ooooooooo now there is an idea I can get behind 100%...

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

Maybe we should unfund the 2 wars for oil, and surely we've had vengeance on the infedels already by now, so these are unnecessary.

Decrease your oil dependence. That'll show them and cut their funds.
Of course, they might start taking euros for oil, and that would pretty much kill the dollar. Tricky situation.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

A lot of great things being said here left and right. 2 wars and space missions that are unneeeded. Trillions in debt and more on the way. Maybe we should unfund the 2 wars for oil, and surely we've had vengeance on the infedels already by now, so these are unnecessary. I agree wholeheartedly with Jimmy, let the Martians have Mars. Use this money to pay off debt and then talk about reform. Going from one compromised mess to the other isnt working, lets clean up our act across the board and then see what we can do.
As far as Obamas promise to end the war, it reminds me of Dick Nixon inheriting LBJs VietNam, Dick made the same promise Obama is making now, I bet Obama keeps the promise in the same way, it will get darker before it gets better. Ya gotta remember, you didnt put these people in office, they were paraded in front of you by the power brokers, all you did(or do an any election) was pick your poison.

I agree with about all you said Kelly. On ending the war, I was worried that he would fall into the same trap as his predecessors. It seems anyone who gets in there while a war is being fought can't bear the idea of being the one who 'loses' the war. I was in Target not long ago looking at a pair of cargo shorts..... made in the Republic of Vietnam.

Originally Posted by commiecat

Interesting, but of no concern. I know that both Obama and McCain voted for the Patriot Act, which I deeply disapprove of. I'm just saying that when these unconstitutional motions are named as such, it makes it difficult for our politicians to go against them. My ideal candidate was Dr. Paul for reference.

You disregarded the meat of my comment, though, which was that we should withhold judgment on troop withdrawal until the date he outlined. Hell, give the man a flippin' year or two in office to do something. His expectations are high but we have to be reasonable when looking at a mess that was many years in the making.

I did not miss the meat as you say I only expanded it to not only show that he is not being honest but you should not take him at face value on anything.
I am willing to concede as JimmyHAD pointed out that he may just be taking good advice contrary to his original positions but until he shows a bit of forthrightness instead of pretty speeches that don't reflect the truth and sound more like campaigning ( A nicer way of saying that he is lying to gain approval and support) I will be skeptical.

Health care??????????????????????????????

I know I was guilty too of getting


But seriously we need HC reform of some type, I do not agree with Government HC but we need some type of reform...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Health care??????????????????????????????

Although I didn't directly mention it Glen I think what I said pertains very well to Healthcare a la Obama.

Honestly Mark even being the NeoCon that I am I don't trust the right side of the isle anymore either... let alone Obama et all

They all lie...

VOTE EM ALL OUT !!!!

Did you guys hear about the 4 pages of tax changes that come with the health care bill?????

You might want to look if you own a business

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Health care??????????????????????????????

I know I was guilty too of getting


But seriously we need HC reform of some type, I do not agree with Government HC but we need some type of reform...

Torte reform.
Direct pay is always cheaper than having a middleman.
If we must have a middleman then Competition is the answer. I understand that competition between insurance companies is severely limited by government. The Republicans have an idea called portable insurance which allows the people to beable to choose between the thousands of insurance companies across the USA instead of the 5 or 6 I get to choose from in my state.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Honestly Mark even being the NoeCon that I am I don't trust the right side of the isle anymore either... let alone Obama et all

They all lie...

VOTE EM ALL OUT !!!!

Did you guys hear about the 4 pages of tax changes that come with the health care bill?????

You might want to look if you own a business

Yep I am with you here!

Yes I know about the tax changes too.