Thread: Swine flu martial law in MA

Originally Posted by sparq

So Glen, how would you feel if your governor decided that all citizens of Idaho need to be vaccinated against H1N1, declared a status of health emergency and vaccinated you and your family against your will?

I cannot answer for Glen, but if I am allowed to replace my name with Glen's: if H1N1 was a killer, I would be all for forced vaccination.

In case you don't remember: this was how we got rid of smallpox, polio and other nasties. and some people then didn't like it either and fought it teeth and nail. Some people still fight against the mandatory polio (and other) shots. We should be thankful that the governments then had the balls to go forward with mandatory vaccination. It's the reason you don't have to worry about smallpox as a significant risk.

Originally Posted by Bruno

I cannot answer for Glen, but if I am allowed to replace my name with Glen's: if H1N1 was a killer, I would be all for forced vaccination.

In case you don't remember: this was how we got rid of smallpox, polio and other nasties. and some people then didn't like it either and fought it teeth and nail. Some people still fight against the mandatory polio (and other) shots. We should be thankful that the governments then had the balls to go forward with mandatory vaccination. It's the reason you don't have to worry about smallpox as a significant risk.

As it stands now, H1N1 is simply a flu, like many others.

Originally Posted by Seraphim

As it stands now, H1N1 is simply a flu, like many others.

So was the first round of the previous big A H1N1... the second round was less friendly.

First off:
Rights are rights and don't tread on mine, but who are you guys kidding here???
Lets be realistic if the Governor of Idaho (we would probably be the last state in the union no doubt) declared a health emergency there better damn well be one... Assuming that there was a true emergency, you and everyone else would be pushing yer way to the front of the line for a vaccine...

I already had my seasonal flu shot just a week ago, the boss here pays for them every year and our family members for $5 each if they want to get one too...

We are set up for the H1N1 vaccine when it becomes available too...

Now if by chance I saw this as a conspiracy to grab rights or control like all you "I see black helicopter" guys out there....

I know our one little road, in our little corner of North Idaho, is armed too the teeth...

The reverse is true also, we very well could shut down our little corner and be totally self sufficient for as long as it takes for an actual dangerous outbreak to pass by... I know to many of you that live in the cities, that sounds like survivalist talk, but up here it is just the way it is... You really can be cut off without power and access to the highway, overnight, for upward of 2 weeks, any winter....So you are always ready...

ps:

16 Kids Die of Swine Flu in 1 Week


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ATLANTA (Oct. 9) - Health officials said Friday that 76 children have died of swine flu in the U.S., including 16 new reports in the past week — more evidence the new virus is unusually dangerous in kids.
The regular flu kills between 46 and 88 children a year, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.

I'm still not panicing.

They'll have to do better to really scare me.

Originally Posted by Bruno

I cannot answer for Glen, but if I am allowed to replace my name with Glen's: if H1N1 was a killer, I would be all for forced vaccination.

In case you don't remember: this was how we got rid of smallpox, polio and other nasties. and some people then didn't like it either and fought it teeth and nail. Some people still fight against the mandatory polio (and other) shots. We should be thankful that the governments then had the balls to go forward with mandatory vaccination. It's the reason you don't have to worry about smallpox as a significant risk.

Some info I stumbled across
Facts disagree
Here are some facts... With sources

HISTORICAL FACTS EXPOSING THE DANGERS AND INEFFECTIVENESS OF VACCINES

- In 1871-2, England, with 98% of the population aged between 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, it experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. (The Hadwen Documents)

- In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940 and by 1945 diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don't Get Stuck, Hannah Allen)

- In the USA in 1960, two virologists discovered that both polio vaccines were contaminated with the SV 40 virus which causes cancer in animals as well as changes in human cell tissue cultures. Millions of children had been injected with these vaccines. (Med Jnl of Australia 17/3/1973 p555)

- In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free by the World Health Organisation after 96% of its population was vaccinated. In 1972, Ghana experienced one of its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever mortality rate. (Dr H Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland, March 1990)

- In the UK between 1970 and 1990, over 200,000 cases of whooping cough occurred in fully vaccinated children. (Community Disease Surveillance Centre, UK)

- In the 1970's a tuberculosis vaccine trial in India involving 260,000 people revealed that more cases of TB occurred in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. (The Lancet 12/1/80 p73)

- In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 "Abstracts" )

- In 1978, a survey of 30 States in the US revealed that more than half of the children who contracted measles had been adequately vaccinated. (The People's Doctor, Dr R Mendelsohn)

- In 1979, Sweden abandoned the whooping cough vaccine due to its ineffectiveness. Out of 5,140 cases in 1978, it was found that 84% had been vaccinated three times! (BMJ 283:696-697, 1981)

-The February 1981 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of pediatricians refused to take the rubella vaccine.

- In the USA, the cost of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987. The manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8 per shot to cover legal costs and damages they were paying out to parents of brain damaged children and children who died after vaccination. (The Vine, Issue 7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld)

- In Oman between 1988 and 1989, a polio outbreak occurred amongst thousands of fully vaccinated children. The region with the highest attack rate had the highest vaccine coverage. The region with the lowest attack rate had the lowest vaccine coverage. (The Lancet, 21/9/91)

- In 1990, a UK survey involving 598 doctors revealed that over 50% of them refused to have the Hepatitis B vaccine despite belonging to the high risk group urged to be vaccinated. (British Med Jnl, 27/1/1990)

- In 1990, the Journal of the American Medical Association had an article on measles which stated " Although more than 95% of school-aged children in the US are vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated children." (JAMA, 21/11/90)

- In the USA, from July 1990 to November 1993, the US Food and Drug Administration counted a total of 54,072 adverse reactions following vaccination. The FDA admitted that this number represented only 10% of the real total, because most doctors were refusing to report vaccine injuries. In other words, adverse reactions for this period exceeded half a million! (National Vaccine Information Centre, March 2, 1994)

- In the New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated.

- On November 2nd, 2000, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) announced that its members voted at their 57th annual meeting in St Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. The resolution passed without a single "no" vote. (Report by Michael Devitt)

Reminds me of Moses' law where they would take similar liberties and leave the infected outside the community.

This is very interesting. In the Northeast US this would probably be smart and work since there are soo many people stacked on top of one another. Desparate times also call for desparate measures. I also agree with Glen that sick people should stay home if at all possible, but some people have to work to keep their jobs, so this is a predicament. I will say this though if the government seizes property in NY, or MA then people there are relatively unarmed and would not be able to stop this. However, the number of dead government officials in the rural areas of the US who tried to unlawfully enter homes would be soo staggering that the pandemic would be less dangerous than going into someone's home or taking there property.
The beauty of this is, that rural areas rarely have to deal with these pandemics because unlike cities, there aren't as many people to quarantine,and plus there are fewer foreigners visiting that would want to spread a disease purposefully in these locations.
THe best thing of all is that with my future profession I will neck deep trying to save the victims (unless its ebola where I am trying to stay alive and help quarantine). But, even in that scene the government nor anyone else will ever unlawfully break down my door or take my property indefinitely without many bullets flying with deadly purpose.
Lets hope and pray that something so serious never hits because the US government is so corrupt now that there would be no way for them to effectively control anything.

I think we'll survive, humans are pretty good at that!

The truth is that polio still exists because of vaccinations not being given in third world (mostly African) countries. But, I completely agree that if everyone would vaccinate like i will with myself and children, we would all be better off. However, this chicken pox stuff is way out of line unless the person has not had it by about age 13. Before then, let nature take its course. The morality of society is such that now, kids are born to mothers that pass on terrible diseases that make many kids unable to fight infections and as a result they have to get vaccinated for unusual stuff, so hence everyone else has to as well. Plus the fact we are sterilizing kids has literally made allergy rates and numbers of sickly kids sky rocket.
Let your kids play in the dirt and have fun OUTSIDE the house. They will be better for it.