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I find it astounding how many people are literally upset over the fact their president won the Nobel Peace prize. While I can certainly understand the discussion over the criteria employed by the awarding committee in coming to its decision, it nonetheless speaks volumes about the level of rancor and partisanship that currently exists in the US when so many of its citizenry are flat-out unhappy their own president won an international award, and would have preferred him to have lost.
Shut it, commie.
I understand why people would be turned off. It's hollow. People want to take pride in something, but being recognized for having a lot of unexercised potential is hardly something to get excited about.
It's upsetting that they'd cheapen the award by giving it to someone that hasn't done anything, and deny it to people risking their lives to promote education and protection of girls in rural afghanistan, etc.
It also undermines and patronizes him.
I would turn your point around: how can you be happy that a historically important award has been cheapened, and that your president may have been weakened as people once again say "jeez he's just coasting on perception again - when are people going to hold him accountable for actually doing something." Good time magazine article on this by the way if you go to yahoo.
I bet Obama isn't pleased about this either.
Well here is exactly my point. Agree or disagree over whether he was the right choice, it still amazes me people are unhappy their president was honored with an award. Reminds me of the video showing the conservatives clapping their hands upon hearing the olympics weren't going to be held in the US--they'd rather their country lose than see those they politically oppose get recognized. Sad.
I don't think this is the caseQuote:
Originally Posted by billyjeff2
People are unhappy that a formerly distinguished prize organization is trying to pull one over on them
It's true. I voted for Obama, and I support him. But I still don't feel he actually did anything to win the Nobel Peace Prize. I believe it is supposed to honor humanitarian effort, not mirror international approval.
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Originally Posted by billyjeff2
What did he really do to get the award ? Honestly, I see this man being raised on a pedistool due solely to people disliking Bush Jr's 'work'.
I really dont think Obama has to do much to get accolades and kudos.
As far as I see it ... the country Obama presides over is still at war for crying out loud... so he is awarded a 'Peace' prize for .. what exactly...?
Sorry, but I cant be happy for someone with circumstances like this.
It's cheap and hollow. To me, there is nothing to be happy about.
Oh btw, those Republicans will clap about almost anything.
No one.....absolutely no one deserves the Nobel Peace Prize afer being in office for 12 days, which is when the final vote took place. Give me a break! The same prize that Martin Luther King got! Talk about President Obama worship. What a shame! It used to mean something to get a peace prize. To be relegated to the statue of a Cracker Jack box prize. Is there nothing anybody takes pride in anymore?Quote:
Originally Posted by billyjeff2
Later,
Richard
Hear hear!Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiskers
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Actually, i have no idea what that means, or ever meant! :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by riooso
Sorry, just kidding around. But I'm of the camp that supported (and supports) Obama in most of his policies (with a few noteworthy exceptions) but feels he has done nothing to deserve this prize. Yet. I hope, dearly and sincerely, that this man will bring greater peace and justice to the world through his leadership. Time will tell. It just hasn't told us enough yet.
Choosing stupid battles again BJ2? There is no competition, how exactly could he have lost?Quote:
Originally Posted by billyjeff2
"Choosing stupid battles again BJ2"
There's certainly no need to get nasty.
Let me ask it this way:
Your team is playing in the world series. It's the bottom of the 9th inning; your team is ahead by one run; and there are 2 outs. The opposing team is batting and has a runner on first. Their batter hits a shot that looks to be a sure home run. If it is, two runs will score, and your team will lose. As fate would have it, a large bird flies directly into the path of the ball, causing it to drop within the confines of the playing field, where it's caught for the final out by your team's outfielder. As a result, your team wins the world series.
Now exactly how upset are you going to be that your team won under those circumstances? Or are you going to be happy over the fact your team just won the grand prize of baseball, albeit in a totally unexpected fashion?
Yes, once we reconcile to ourselves that the Nobel prize committee is no more relevant than a bird passing through a baseball game, then nobody will be upset or even notice who wins their prizes
He was honored with an award previous to the fleece...I mean peace... award...he was elected President of the United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by billyjeff2
How much more does he need??
As far as I know he didn't ask to be given the award. He got it and since I was not selected to be among the judges who choose the recipient I'll give those who were selected the benefit of the doubt and assume that he deserved the award. Just my 2 cents.Quote:
Originally Posted by honedright
You're just ignoring what I said, and repeating yourself, and if you are going to do that, there's no point asking the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by billyjeff2
I said I'm upset they cheapened the award. That wasn't your point.
I said I'm upset this undermines our president (who doesn't need any help in that area). That wasn't your point.
If you don't agree that this cheapens the award or undermines your president then we simply disagree, but I'm trying to explain that your interpretation of why people are bothered by this is inaccurate.
I'm surrounded by democrats in my office and they don't like this either, so it's not a partisan thing.
It's true. There are a few reasons we are all ****ed off too. The main one for me is that now, should Obama do anything spectacular (as we all hope he will), what is the best that could happen? A Nobel Peace Prize supposedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by loueedacat
I just feel like this is the world's biggest offense of "Putting the cart before the horse"
bad analogy. When you root for your team, your only goal is for it to win. The Nobel Prize isn't a sport that you root for your team to win. But I think that's pretty obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by billyjeff2
I am not excited about it but I don't knock it. It reminds me of a lyric circa 1968 from singer Gil Scott Heron...."A rat done bit my sister Nell and whitey's on the moon." If unemployment and foreclosures were not continuing to rise I might be more enthusiastic about this .... or I might not. Right now frankly I don't give a rat's a$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by loueedacat
I'd go even further - we can't assume there's a cart to put before this horse. People are saying it's "premature," but it's not premature, it's simply not appropriate. If it turns out he earns it then give it to him then, but since when do we assume someone will earn the nobel peace prize?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPflaumer
And there were some people that REALLY deserved it, so it's totally shameful. It's not obama's fault - I bet he's ****ed, and not pouring champagne on himself in celebration.
well I'll agree 200% that there are more important things to worry about. there's not much to celebrate right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
Willi Brandt got it in expectation to solve the east west conflict.
It was rather a burden than a blessing.
And so is it for Obama.
He got it for his intention to make the world nuclear weapon free.
I think they look like a Democratic reaction to Obama blowing his noseQuote:
Originally Posted by hoglahoo
What's that old saying? "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions"??
Now they're mixing awards into the mortar.
Whether you like him or not, it's not an HONOR to receive something you in no way earned nor deserve, it's a JOKE.Quote:
Originally Posted by billyjeff2
Again, with the Olympics, do you REALLY think it is a good idea to have a MAJOR and extremely expensive event in a city that would in NO way be able to afford it on their own? The PEOPLE would have been the ones that would have had to fork out the money to pay for the Olympics in Chicago, and the people that were saying they didn't want it there, understood that.
Exactly the point. You can't give someone an award for what they may or may not do in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0livia
It would be like giving a new college Freshman a PhD. because he plans on doing it...completely ridiculous.
"The deadline for nominations for the prize was Feb. 1 -- two weeks after Mr. Obama was inaugurated.
'So soon? Too early. He has no contribution so far,' former Polish President Lech Walesa, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1983, said Friday. 'He is still at an early stage.'" - Wall Street Journal
Heck, even Adolf Hitler was nominated for it in 1939! Good JOB Nobel geniuses...
"Again, with the Olympics, do you REALLY think it is a good idea to have a MAJOR and extremely expensive event in a city that would in NO way be able to afford it on their own? The PEOPLE would have been the ones that would have had to fork out the money to pay for the Olympics in Chicago, and the people that were saying they didn't want it there, understood that."
I can't recall the last time a city/country DIDN'T want to host the Olympics, particularly when they were a nominee. Nor do I recall any city/country suffering a net economic loss as a result of hosting the Olympics. Just the opposite-hosting the Olympics has, at least in modern times, been considered both an honor and a financial plus. (That is, unless you're so anti-Obama that you'd rather see your country lose than your political adversary prevail...)
Sorry like him or not if the award was deserved congrats but I don't believe it was. This country (and maybe now the world ) celebrates meritocracy rather than accomplishment. What ever happened to honoring a job well done. Ever see the movie "the Incredible's" Mr. Incredible echoed the same sentiment about Dash's 5th grade graduation.
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Originally Posted by mhaileyI think they look like a Democratic reaction to Obama blowing his noseQuote:
Originally Posted by hoglahoo
... thats the good stuff right there ...
It was a great joke about the clapping, but looking at the actual audience I'd say that most of them are probably Republican. ;PQuote:
Originally Posted by Whiskers
I don't think he deserved the award, either. I hope it's at least a sign that Europe's opinion of America is improving.
1976 Winter Olympics. Colorado did not want it, and it went elswhere. Edit: Oh Yeah, and we were already selected to host, and not just a nominee, and we told the IOC to stuff it.Quote:
Originally Posted by billyjeff2
Colorado only state ever to turn down Olympics
Why? Because they look successful? :thinking: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by commiecat
The argument that the Nobel Peace Prize has been cheapened all of a sudden, and that is what people are worried about, just does not wash with me, or at least tells me that people either have a short memory or a selective one. Yasser Arafat in 1994 springs to mind. It has always been a strange award with strange choices of recipient IMO. But hey, if Gwynneth Paltrow can win a Best Actress Oscar, anything can happen. :)
James.
"1976 Winter Olympics. Colorado did not want it, and it went elsewhere. Edit: Oh Yeah, and we were already selected to host, and not just a nominee, and we told the IOC to stuff it."
Correct you are about Colorado. Of course, they were the only city to have ever done this. But those folks in the video shown clapping when it was announced the Olympics would be held in Rio rather than the US--probably not a bunch of Chicagoans concerned about the inconvenience of hosting. More likely they were right wing Republicans who, in the grand tradition of Rush Limbaugh-style unilateral patriotism, were hoping to see a Democratic president fail.
nothing about this president is a shock to me anymore. i did not support him, but i have no ill will towards him. but really, tell me, a junior senator with NO legislative merits runs for the highest office in the country and wins, then wins this prize. this type of award used to be for people who had accomplished something for the good of mankind. what has he done or will ever do to merit this?
How can he get an award for what he is SUPPOSED to do in the future.
That is total B.S!
I cheapens the award. All those that EARNED it did it for nothing now.
My views are Extreme, I think NOT.
I would like to congratulate President Barack Obama on being given the Nobel Peace Price. This is a momentous occasion in the fact that the President has made such glorious promises that his intentions alone have earned him this award. I for one, in the hopes of making the world a better place, will match President Obama's intentions by increasing my own good intentions.
In my tireless effort to create world peace, I will turn any and all bad people into teddy bears and warm blankets and all mean or vicious animals into puppies and kittens. I will transform all nuclear waste into honey and milk and I will make all bullets and firearms turn into cake and ice cream.
Where is my prize????
sorry i can't give you a prize, but HERE'S YOUR SIGN :hmmm::rofl2: