Thread: Is this the nastiest thing you have ever seen?

'Scuze me...That was Carlos N. Hathc0ck.

I don't know off the top of my head but it was something ridiculous, shot recently in the hills of Iraq. Just looked it up, it was in 2002 by a Canadian sniper, and they weren't using a barret. Sorry. They were using the MacMillan BMG. 2657 yds.

I know Barret has the longest something. It might be confirmed hit in the range though.

That rifle would be really nice if it was modified a bit: first take away all the camouflage paint so you can see the metal, then put on blueing, so it is nice and black.
Then take off that awful plastic stock and replace it with a nice wooden one of a more classic design. It would be embarrassing to show up for the Elk hunt with something that looks like it is stolen from a action-man doll :P
Put on a slightly smaller magazine, so it doesn't hang down under the rifle and ruin the classic lines.
A nice Carl Zeiss scope with variable zoom in Black.

My view is pretty much that it is a nice rifle, at least the barrel, suppressor and the receiver.

Master Cpl. Arron Perry, a Canadian sniper, set the current record for longest range sniper kill at 7,972 ft (2,430 metres.) He was using a .50 BMG McMillan bolt-action rifle. He broke Carlos Hath****'s record for the longest range sniper kill.
In 1967, Hath**** set the record for the 20th century's longest combat kill with a Browning M2 .50 BMG machine gun topped by a scope sight. The distance was 2,286 meters (almost a mile and a half.)

.416 Barrett is the round someone else on here mentioned. It's a very low drag, high velocity round.

In my opinion, if you're thinking about hunting in America, if you can't do it with a .270 Winchester or a .44 Mag, you are in over your head...

Thats the one I was talking about. Thank you.

Originally Posted by johnvan

.416 Barrett is the round someone else on here mentioned. It's a very low drag, high velocity round.

In my opinion, if you're thinking about hunting in America, if you can't do it with a .270 Winchester or a .44 Mag, you are in over your head...

johnv,

I agree for the most part and that part's up to brown bear and grizzly at which point something a bit bigger is probably a bit better. Other than the black powder cartridge rounds, such as the .45-70 and .45-90 which are my current go-to target rounds, I think the best round for hunts-back game is a .375 H&H. At nearly 100 years old and like the .50BMG it is a of a design and level of performance that has proved very difficult to better.

Originally Posted by Bruce

johnv,

I agree for the most part and that part's up to brown bear and grizzly at which point something a bit bigger is probably a bit better. Other than the black powder cartridge rounds, such as the .45-70 and .45-90 which are my current go-to target rounds, I think the best round for hunts-back game is a .375 H&H. At nearly 100 years old and like the .50BMG it is a of a design and level of performance that has proved very difficult to better.

Speaking of old, I think the .490 roundball and 100+ gr of black powder has been doing a good job of taking game for the last 150 years or so...

I dunno if they are legal in the US, but pretty much the only round I've used is our standard hunting round out on the farm. I believe its a .303cal hollow point. I think if you score a hit with that sucker anywhere on an animal's torso its going down- we've dropped Kudu (very large antelope- as big as a horse) with hits to the chest, back, mid torso, neck... the only non-lethals/track for two days were hits to legs and one to the horn (obviously a very strong part of the body, though my uncle dropped one on a hit to the horn- must've concussed it or something)

edit: There might be better rounds but out in Africa where you're actually hunting for meat first trophy second, or you keep a rifle for protection while camping, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The Mauser we shoot it out of is a great gun and I don't think changing guns to a bigger cal bore would do any good. It ain't the size of the dog in the fight its the size of fight in the dog. A smaller round out of a better rifle/optics system from a better marksman can do a hell of a lot more than sheer caliber. Hollow point doesn't hurt. The thing is sure a .50 can reach out a lot further than most smaller guns, but how many people are accurate when you're accountign for a 20yd+ drop/drift?

edit again: Sorry I'm havin' a hard time saying this. Basically, these guns are all nice and that but realistically, even in the military you wanna take the shortest shot possible. That said, these are all amazing guns, but I don't foresee a time when I'm gonna need to reach out an hit an animal at 1.5 miles... normally its within a couple hundred at most, and I want it to die/drop asap, cus its more humane (and if its not dead I can mercy it quicker), and I don't have to track it.

I agree for the most part and that part's up to brown bear and grizzly at which point something a bit bigger is probably a bit better. Other than the black powder cartridge rounds, such as the .45-70 and .45-90 which are my current go-to target rounds, I think the best round for hunts-back game is a .375 H&H. At nearly 100 years old and like the .50BMG it is a of a design and level of performance that has proved very difficult to better.
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I am in almost total 'agreeance' with you. There are some good points that have been made here. A .243 Winchester is definitely NOT an Elk caliber. But if a man is willing to stalk to within a reasonable distance and he is willing to wait on a really good shot and if he is a really good marksman, a .243 CAN be taken up a class, or two. But for most people, no.
If I were going into country where there were Griz, I would want a .45-70 Marlin lever action. I do not discount a .375 H&H, by any means. I just like the .45-70. I know what it will do and I know what I can do WITH it.
I don't care whether you're talking about a car, a weedeater, or a gun. There is NO substitute for horsepower.
As an 'aside' I once read a cute little poem...
"There ain't too many problems a man can't fix,
With seven hundred dollars and a thirty, ought six."

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