Quote Originally Posted by honedright View Post
The government is not bad, it's just expensive. The bigger government gets, the more it costs. Our government was intended to remain small so that the fruits of our labors, our property, remains ours, not taken from us and given away to others. This is liberty, the right to keep what you have earned. Liberty is why our system is superior to the rest of the world.

The reason people are against what Obama wants is because Obama wants to expand government, thereby infringing upon our liberty. That should bother everybody regardless of party affiliation.

BTW commiecat, where would you prefer to receive treatment for an illness, here in the USA or elsewhere?
Ugh. Back to the fear, uncertainty and doubt argument. Illness treatments are the same throughout, and I'd rather pay much less for my insurance for the few times I actually use it.

Our liberties were destroyed under the previous administration, who called our Constitution a "goddamned piece of paper." I don't see how affordable health care is taking away any liberty.

Quote Originally Posted by riooso View Post
I am sorry but the CBO came out with at $1.2 trillion figure just yesterday for the new 2000 page POS. That is only one issue. After the 2012 election there will not be any private plans allowed.....nada! I don't what another government controlled and mandated program that just gets more money every time they run over budget from the taxpayers.
Does it matter when the document came out? I posted a PDF straight from the CBO's website and quoted it with citations. Show me where it says that there will be no more private insurance companies after 2012.


Quote Originally Posted by riooso View Post
Get a clue Katrina was a mess because the government ran it, not who was president. Oh....look at H1N1 we all ought to have the chance to get the vaccine by when???????? about the time 10K people have died and it is in full swing......another program the government overseeing.
Well I have no idea what Katrina has to do with this, but again you're absolutely lying about the H1N1 numbers. 6000 people have died worldwide, and only about 1400 in North America. The vaccine is available now.

Quote Originally Posted by riooso View Post
All this for approximately 7 million uninsured people? Just buy them all Cadillac insurance at $6000 a year, that would only amount to $42 billion a year we would be money ahead. There is a good side to all this though. I can sue the government if they screw up.... nice!
Actually it's for about 45.7M citizens.