Thread: Climategate!

Silly me--citing to a well sourced wikipedia article. Perhaps I should have also included some of the following "highly suspect" sources that also say the same thing..

The US EPA Recent Climate Change - Temperature Changes | Science | Climate Change | U.S. EPA

NASA Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2008 Annual Summation

Science Daily:Top 11 Warmest Years On Record Have All Been In Last 13 Years

NOAA: NOAA - National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - NOAA: 2007 a Top Ten Warm Year for U.S. and Globe

UK National Weather Service: http://http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/policymakers/policy/slowdown.html

2009 to be one of warmest years on record: researchers | Reuters.com

Buy hey, if I were you, I wouldn't believe any of them. You know how liberal/socialist NASA and the NOAA are...

These ARE some of the foxes that want to watch the chicken coup.

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

These ARE some of the foxes that want to watch the chicken coup.

Looks like some facts got in the way of your dogma. So tell me... I just cited you a number of sources that say most of warmest years on record have occurred within the last decade or so.

Your sources that say otherwise? (and remember--I did not assert that each year has gotten progressively hotter; just that most of the warmest have occurred in the past 10-12 years).

I'll be patently waiting for your reply. (snarky bon mots don't count)

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

Looks like some facts got in the way of your dogma. So tell me... I just cited you a number of sources that say most of warmest years on record have occurred within the last decade or so.

Your sources that say otherwise? (and remember--I did not assert that each year has gotten progressively hotter; just that most of the warmest have occurred in the past 10-12 years).

I'll be patently waiting for your reply. (snarky bon mots don't count)

Don't you watch the current news? We are entering the third record winter in a row. Breaking records from the 1930's man.

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

Looks like some facts got in the way of your dogma. So tell me... I just cited you a number of sources that say most of warmest years on record have occurred within the last decade or so.

Your sources that say otherwise? (and remember--I did not assert that each year has gotten progressively hotter; just that most of the warmest have occurred in the past 10-12 years).

It was wise of you to add that parenthetical remark. The sources you cite do show we are warmer now than in the recent past but they also show that we have not got any warmer for a while. As I said in an earlier post if you look at a very few points you can see almost any trend. Some see that a cooling trend started about 10 years ago. This includes at least one of the authors of the CRU emails who despaired of trying to explain this. I think it is perfectly natural to have both "coldest in a long time" and "warmest in a long time" weather during a fairly level period. It is just fun to poke those "coldest" measurements into the ribs of the AGW people. After all, they are the ones trying to make a big deal out of short term trends.

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

Silly me--citing to a well sourced wikipedia article. etc...

Trouble is, you are arguing against a straw man. I (and I hope most others) AGREE the climate is warming! It is quite obvious. You like Wikipedia? Here: Last Glacial Maximum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Just a few thousand years ago much of what is now the civilized world was covered in thousands of feet of ice. I graduated from an upstate NY college in 1968. They no longer hold their winter Ice Carnival because it doesn't stay cold enough to support the ice sculptures which were the main attraction. In Beacon NY there is a small "mountain" (hardly worth the designation) but they used to have a ski slope there! So yes, the climate is warming.

I just DON'T believe that human activity has any significant effect. This is based on looking at past climate trends and not seeing anything unusual about the current trends.

The CRU people are manipulating data to try to show that recent human activity has made some unusual changes in the climate. It simply has not. Our pollution spewing (if you must) civilization is the RESULT of global warming, not the cause.

"Our pollution spewing (if you must) civilization is the RESULT of global warming, not the cause."

Not sure I follow your drift. Global warming is the cause of our civilization spewing pollution?

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

"Our pollution spewing (if you must) civilization is the RESULT of global warming, not the cause."

Not sure I follow your drift. Global warming is the cause of our civilization spewing pollution?

It is the cause of our civilization. I was just giving a nod to those who emphasize our tendency to pollute.

Originally Posted by TexasBob

It is the cause of our civilization. I was just giving a nod to those who emphasize our tendency to pollute.

In other words, if it hadn't been for global warming the Ice Age wouldn't have ended and we wouldn't be here today? I think I get your drift.

Interesting that you seem to accept the science behind man made pollution, but not when it comes to global warming theory. I remember a time when there were those who argued the same thing about pollution that some are not asserting about GW--that man's pollution wasn't capable of significantly altering the eco system. Then that lake caught on fire...

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

In other words, if it hadn't been for global warming the Ice Age wouldn't have ended and we wouldn't be here today? I think I get your drift.

Interesting that you seem to accept the science behind man made pollution, but not when it comes to global warming theory. I remember a time when there were those who argued the same thing about pollution that some are not asserting about GW--that man's pollution wasn't capable of significantly altering the eco system. Then that lake caught on fire...

You got my drift.

I tried to stay completely neutral about pollution so as not to cloud the issue. Guess I failed at that.

BTW, I do agree that pollution is a problem but I don't equate it to capitalism nor free market issues as some try to do. But that is all beside the point here.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure it was a river (in Ohio?) that caught on fire.