Thread: Unconstitutional Action and Gun Laws

Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in to help explain to AussiePostie what its about and my opinions.

When the 2nd amendment was written the people actually had the best state of the art guns, even better than what the militaries of the time were using, the government couldn't afford the costs per gun that many people considered necessary. When they were talking about arms that is what they meant.

Originally Posted by AussiePostie

Is this not what the police, national guard, army reserve and the big one the combined armed services are for? The average citizen would just be backup. Unless one of the above or all somehow become the enemy of the state and people! I suppose it has happened in some countries?

Actually it is exactly in case the people must stand up and defend their rights from any attack within or without. If you look at the number of "generals" who have made themselves president for life after controlling a countries military in defiance of the elected government you can see why it is good to have a back up plan to protect the elected government or even remove it should it be that which attacks the God given (or natural if you don't believe in God) rights of the people.

The reason they felt it was important is really easy to see. They were just coming out of a period where they fought a war against the government. Our founding fathers weren't disloyal to the British government most of them had friends and even relatives still in England. The reason they revolted was because the British Government kept placing more and more demands on them, higher and higher taxes, more and more restriction until they felt that it was no longer working for them as citizens and simply using them to enrich itself. When this happens people lose their loyalty fast and decide to find a different government (Something our current government here ought to pay attention to).

Originally Posted by AussiePostie

The U.S.A must be the only western country in the world that legally allows people to own military grade weapons and is it legal to have militia training camps.

Nope, the Swiss actually require the ownership of military rifles for all men and their participation in training. Firearm sports are also popular in Finland another country that knows the value of an armed and trained populace.

Originally Posted by AussiePostie

Considering you have the most modern and powerfull military force in the world protecting you, does the average citizen really need such powerfull weapons for personal defence and if the answer is yes, is that not saying something about the state of society and the nation in general?

It says something about the desire to remain free and to know that you will never be a subject but always a citizen. The more powerful the weapon that is in the hands of the government the more powerful a one that needs to be in the hands of the citizen. You do realize that more people have been killed by their own governments than have been killed in all the wars ever fought with foreign powers.

Just so you are aware, most military personal firearms are no more powerful and most often less powerful than common hunting weapons. The "massive power" of military rifles is kinda a lie on the part of people who want to make sure you fear them and don't see a need for them. The reality is that a rifle designed to kill a Kangaroo at range is more accurate and more powerful than the one designed to kill a man in war.

Originally Posted by AussiePostie

Why not just join the reserves and be trained professionally to use the latest weapons and tactics in the defence of your country. My son is in the reserves here in OZ.He has his complete kit at home including a fully packed quick deployment case.The only thing he doesn,t have is his rifle.This is kept at the barrack,s and in this day and age I do not think anyone is going to invade the country that quick that he would not have time to aquire it.

Many people do belong to the reserves, but that has nothing to do with the right to bear arms for the common defense. The military is just one line of defense, it shields the people, should that line be reached the people need to be able to defend themselves as well as protect themselves from internal enemies like their own government as mentioned above or even the random crazy people.

Look up the Fort Hood Massacre that just happened over here recently to see what one crazy can do to soldiers without rifles. This is why being armed is a good idea for your own protection as well as the protection of others. Heck about 10 years ago a Japanese guy went nuts and started killing people with a kitchen knife in the subway He got 43 people before the police could get to him.


What the second amendment is is the guarantee of freedom for every citizen in the country. The people can talk about freedom, and their rights but without the power to back up the talk if a tyrant ever tries to take those rights it is nothing more than hollow words. A gun preferably a military grade gun gives each person the ability to defend their own freedoms from the tyrants who would take them, and anyone who wouldn't defend their own rights doesn't deserve to have them.