Thread: Unconstitutional Action and Gun Laws

[Also, I think what you have to remember is a govt. has a responsibility to do what it feels best for the people. If that means old rulings need to change, so be it. Stubear, there is no evidence that I am aware of that suggests arming a society reduces crime.[/QUOTE]


The statement about the government doing what it thinks best may apply to the UK and Europe. However, the US government will do what its people say is best or all the politicians will pay with their blood. Elected politicians should fear the wrath of the people and do as they are told, not as they "think best".
This idea about the government and its "best for all approach" is trying to be forced on the US people by the current administration. We are not Europe. I hate the federal government, hence when the US does break up again, the states will once again have the power to control their own affairs and let the federal government do what it is supposed to do which is essentially regulate trade and provide national defense. Before to long the administration is going to be burned to the ground and replaced by those who listen if they keep forcing their socialist ideals upon us. Right now its healthcare, next could be disarmament, then taxation into oblivion could easily follow.
As to the purpose of the thread, the Supreme Court in all its righteousness doesn't even defend the constitution. That group ruled in favor of a case where a private developer could petition the local government to take your land and build buildings upon (this occurred in New London, CT by the way) it and give you a crappy price for it. And yet, some people on here fear this group? Are you serious? That was why I said North Carolina should do hat they want and ignore the court since the court has no honor or credibility if they make decisions like they have. They may pass down orders, but the last thing the administration wants to do is use military power to force a state into something. If it were one person, I would say they have to yield, but if the majority of the people of the state agree on the subject, the the Court will brush it aside and move on.
The current administration (according to Gallup) has the lowest approval rate in its fist year since Truman administration.
Let me tell you, they are on their way to greatness!

If there's ever again any warlike crisis to come then the last thing the officials need is half nation running armed to their teeth in the street to 'defend their rights'.

In Finland we have huge amount of guns, but most of these are rifles and of course .22 handguns are for sports. That is a very fun hobby but not suitable for everyone who just wants to play with guns. Automatics are banned from the civilians, because you do not need an automatic for hunting or at the track. I do not know single person who would buy a gun for defence. It is a well proven fact that more there's guns, more they get stolen. Also letting people get guns too easily will sometimes lead into very sad consequences, like school shootings.

Lastly. I have no strong feelings against guns. I have mine and i practice and handle various weapons and systems at my work. Not every day, but enough to say that i know little something about them. I can imagine what damage they can cause when used wrong.
I keep my gun at the safebox at work and wouldn't ever even dream of having guns at home.

Originally Posted by Sailor

Iings.

I keep my gun at the safebox at work and wouldn't ever even dream of having guns at home.

ok, so you will let the criminals have free run of you house and family??
i am well armed, in just about every room of my house. some are semi-automatic and can very easily be brought up to full-auto if i so desire. i also have more than enough ammo to hold off for quite a while if the need arises.
my motto is "better safe than sorry"

Originally Posted by 59caddy

ok, so you will let the criminals have free run of you house and family??
i am well armed, in just about every room of my house. some are semi-automatic and can very easily be brought up to full-auto if i so desire. i also have more than enough ammo to hold off for quite a while if the need arises.
my motto is "better safe than sorry"

Maybe this place is little backwoods, but housebreakers here do not use handguns. At least i haven't heard from such irrelevant behavior in more than 20 years. Also guns are not usually used in street violence. Stolen guns usually end up abroad or into criminal gangs or drug dealers who use these among each other as they wish somewhere away from sights.
We have of course criminality here too, but even felons widely seem to know that using handgun to rob grandma's wallet is like shooting a little bird with a missile, and after such action that feline for sure would get hunted until caught. No wallet is worth dying and surely not worth killing for. I have no much experience from the burglars but i've heard this from friends in police.

Some 5 years ago we had one burglary attempt in the middle of the day when people usually are away. I was sleeping at home, and my door wasn't locked. When the burglar opened the door, my dogs started barking, so he closed the door and ran away before i could get up. When i reached the window i just saw man running away. We still do not lock our doors when home, day or night. Well some kids once stole few cd's from my car (door wasn't locked), but had i shot them i would have ended in jail.

Most violent acts here are made between people (family members, friends etc) who already know each other and usually when drunk. Most common weapon is the kitchen knife or axe. It scary to imagine what would happen if all those had handguns.

But as i said. We are far from the big world.

All kidding aside, an axe is a very formidible weapon at close range. If it weren't for the doggone Chinese, we could still be defending ourselves with axes & swords.

I had considered a Tazer at one time, but if I were to shoot a criminal with one in defense of myself or family, he'd probably be able to sue me & get much more than what he was originally going to steal. This is just one of the many problems we have here in the U.S.

As I read quite a few of these statements made by those from another country, I pose a question to you, but before you answer, read the paragraph below:

I have three safes full of various firearms from single shot rifles, bolt action rifles, semi-automatic rifles, and semi-automatic pistols. Their calibers range from .22lr to 300wsm. I shoot competitively in pistol and rifle in matches, both my wife and myself carry conceiled & we both shoot a minimum of 100 rounds per month with our CCW weapon, no matter the weather. Not all of our weapons are in the safe, nor is my German Shepherd.

With this being said, put your thoughts into a potential criminals mind and think like they would. Would you want to mug, carjack, or invade our home here in the U.S. or your own home in your country? I'm not trying to pick a fight, just think about it.

Bad guys want an easy target, no matter if the bad guy is a man or government.

Do you advertise what guns you have and which ones are easily accessable on the sign at the front of your house to deter criminals?

Otherwise how do they know that you have an arsenal, while your neighbor just has a baseball bat?

Originally Posted by shooter74743

With this being said, put your thoughts into a potential criminals mind and think like they would. Would you want to mug, carjack, or invade our home here in the U.S. or your own home in your country? I'm not trying to pick a fight, just think about it.

Bad guys want an easy target, no matter if the bad guy is a man or government.

Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

Do you advertise what guns you have and which ones are easily accessable on the sign at the front of your house to deter criminals?

Otherwise how do they know that you have an arsenal, while your neighbor just has a baseball bat?

Actually, yes, indirectly. I do have a G&G Gunsmiths sign over my carport. It's not to deter criminals, but what gunsmith do you know that doesn't have guns?

My neighbors: They all have guns too...I've worked on them or sold them, or both. If someone who doesn't look like they belong is "wondering" around, you can bet the sheriff will be called along with someone finding out who they are and what their intentions are, along with enough details for law enforcement to follow up on. I love a small community ;-)

Originally Posted by shooter74743

With this being said, put your thoughts into a potential criminals mind and think like they would. Would you want to mug, carjack, or invade our home here in the U.S. or your own home in your country? I'm not trying to pick a fight, just think about it.

Bad guys want an easy target, no matter if the bad guy is a man or government.

Your logic makes sense until some point. Getting into your house has for surely far more risks.

Firstly i wouldn't attack on anyones house nor here or there. If i ever, for some unthinkable reason, find myself in a situation where robbing someones home, here or there, would be good idea, i would propably do it when the house is empty.
And if the house i was about to rob had people armed to their teeth living inside, i would propably have to get weapons enough to make things done. No much sense trying to do something if the changes to success are low. Failing would be not an option.

But, as i said, robbing houses is not my type of fun.

Have you guys ever thought that using landmines around your houses, specially under the windows and on the walkways, would be very costworthy, automatic and effective way to stop unwanted visitors? Another good thing with these mines is that attackers and robbers do not use them. And if you live somewhere near the beach, then there's no better way to stop felons with boats than using good old acoustic/magnetic seamines? Seamines aren't even banned in the Ottawa mine ban treaty.

Originally Posted by Sailor

Have you guys ever thought that using landmines around your houses, specially under the windows and on the walkways, would be very costworthy, automatic and effective way to stop unwanted visitors? Another good thing with these mines is that attackers and robbers do not use them. And if you live somewhere near the beach, then there's no better way to stop felons with boats than using good old acoustic/magnetic seamines? Seamines aren't even banned in the Ottawa mine ban treaty.

Yes, I've considered this, but after you and I have had a few beers & laughs you might step on one while walking to your car. I'd hate to loose someone to debate with.

I'm landlocked, so the mines may be out of the question...but you have me thinking. Got any for sale that you could mail to me?