Thread: Climate Change Info from an IPCC Scientist

Originally Posted by Scipio

This is a single source that you have provided. There is lots of conflicting literature of which I could place hyperlinks for.

The one link I provided includes references to over 130 sources. Some popular literature, many peer reviewed journal articles. No need to repeat them here.

Why have Governments across the world evolved measures to attempt to control it, if it were not having a negative effect on the environment and it were not significant?

Most of the governments involved are run by people with socialist agendas. Their recent mantra seems to be "Never let a good crisis go to waste." AGW is their pet crisis.

Come on, its like saying cigarettes dont kill people...as theres no direct link.

There is correlation between emissions and temperature,

World Climate Report » CO2 Emissions Link to Temperature Trends: A Quandary?

LOL

Why is it that every single time somebody speaks against Global Warming, we get the "Oh that is a Bias report" statement....

Hello, the whole climatologist arena is being funded by Pro-global warming grants, scientists are ostracized for saying "Whoa that isn't what the numbers say" Christ people have to hack computers to show that these Global Warming "scientists" are liars...

Keep in mind that not one person who believes Global Warming is hogwash believes that pollution is good... We just want to know why we need to be taxed for breathing?????

If you take out the socialist transfer of wealth part of the equation I will shut right up, you want to limit pollution, I will shut right up, but please don't expect me to fall for false numbers being used to take from the "rich" and give to the "poor" you're not Robin Hood....

another point to go along with this is that they keep saying that the last ten years have been the warmest ever recorded...they seem to forget about 1921 and 1934, these are number 2 and number 3 of the top ten warmest years out there for the last 100 years...now tell me where is the pattern, there was very little industry then as compared to now...

My 2 cents:
If you"re starting a rather grandiose-sounding thread, citing an "expert" with ties to the oil industry is not the way to objectively argue the point. As another poster alluded: it's like quoting scientists funded by the tobacco industry in support of the claim there's no real science linking smoking with an increased risk of cancer.
One other point: while it's true many decades ago there were isolated years that were among the warmest on record, it is also true that the last 10-12 years have also produced some of the warmest on record. So it's not just one or two years of the past 10-12, it's virtually all of them that are among the warmest ever recorded. Can you cite to any prior 10-12 year period from decades past where all of the years within that period were similarly some of the warmest on record?

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

My 2 cents:
If you"re starting a rather grandiose-sounding thread, citing an "expert" with ties to the oil industry is not the way to objectively argue the point. As another poster alluded: it's like quoting scientists funded by the tobacco industry in support of the claim there's no real science linking smoking with an increased risk of cancer.
One other point: while it's true many decades ago there were isolated years that were among the warmest on record, it is also true that the last 10-12 years have also produced some of the warmest on record. So it's not just one or two years of the past 10-12, it's virtually all of them that are among the warmest ever recorded. Can you cite to any prior 10-12 year period from decades past where all of the years within that period were similarly some of the warmest on record?

YES!!.. simply go back to the mid evil warming period...that is some of the info that is so conveniently left out of global warming "theories/computer models" and also too the fact that the last couple of years are not following the trend you just stated

[QUOTE=TexasBob;513266]Interesting details at ICECAP

From Salon.com:

"So what exactly is ICECPA? ICECAP is an acronym for International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project...On its home page, ICECAP prominently features articles by Christopher Monckton and D'Aleo, both of whom are closely associated with the Science and Public Policy Institute (SPPI). SPPI, in turn, is an offshoot of the right-wing Frontiers of Freedom think tank. According to Wikipedia, SPPI was formerly named the Center for Science and Public Policy and was originally created with the help of a $100,000 donation from ExxonMobil."

Gee. Do you think this organization may exist to promote a certain agenda, as opposed to being a clearing house for objective scientific study? I wonder....

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

.... an offshoot of the right-wing Frontiers of Freedom think tank.

Ya got me there! It's RIGHT WING! I wish I'd noticed that and not made such a fool of myself. I'll go hunt down some anti-American, anti-free-market, anti-capitalist source for a more balanced view.

According to Wikipedia, SPPI was formerly named the Center for Science and Public Policy and was originally created with the help of a $100,000 donation from ExxonMobil."

Gee. Do you think this organization may exist to promote a certain agenda, as opposed to being a clearing house for objective scientific study? I wonder....

Yea -- their agenda is self preservation through promoting common sense.

Actually, I'm a bit surprised that Exxon-Mobil would do such a thing. Usually big business is big on capitalism and not so big on the free-market. The temptation is to encourage things like cap-and-trade that raise the bar to start-up of any new competition. So kudos to Exxon-Mobil for taking the high road! (In truth, they are probably comfortable in their market position anyway.)

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Originally Posted by TexasBob

Interesting details at ICECAP

From Salon.com:

"So what exactly is ICECPA? ICECAP is an acronym for International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project...On its home page, ICECAP prominently features articles by Christopher Monckton and D'Aleo, both of whom are closely associated with the Science and Public Policy Institute (SPPI). SPPI, in turn, is an offshoot of the right-wing Frontiers of Freedom think tank. According to Wikipedia, SPPI was formerly named the Center for Science and Public Policy and was originally created with the help of a $100,000 donation from ExxonMobil."

Gee. Do you think this organization may exist to promote a certain agenda, as opposed to being a clearing house for objective scientific study? I wonder....

Oh come on BJ we can do the same with all the data from every "Oh the sky is falling lefty socialist, the polar bears are drowning" group too...

Face it the PROOF is not available to any of us, on either side of this, so you either believe one group or the other, and in all actuality I don't really care who is right...
But why does the left want money?????? in fact why is it always about power and money with the Liberals???? that is my problem with everything from welfare, to health care, to global warming, the left always wants $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$

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Originally Posted by TexasBob

Interesting details at ICECAP

From Salon.com:

"So what exactly is ICECPA? ICECAP is an acronym for International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project...On its home page, ICECAP prominently features articles by Christopher Monckton and D'Aleo, both of whom are closely associated with the Science and Public Policy Institute (SPPI). SPPI, in turn, is an offshoot of the right-wing Frontiers of Freedom think tank. According to Wikipedia, SPPI was formerly named the Center for Science and Public Policy and was originally created with the help of a $100,000 donation from ExxonMobil."

Gee. Do you think this organization may exist to promote a certain agenda, as opposed to being a clearing house for objective scientific study? I wonder....

so by using your standard, we can safely assert that ANYTHING that comes from any organization that is even remotely associated with any one or person that is right wing or knows someone who might be right wing, or has even read anything slightly right wing are idiots and have an agenda that cannot be believed. we should just all fall down at the altar of "left wing zealots" and thank them for saving our meager, miserable, hate filled, climate destroying lives....NOT!!!