Thread: Climate Change Info from an IPCC Scientist

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

59caddy: I want rock solid, incontrovertible proof of your theory that the the left wing is promoting global warming theory solely as a means to ride it to the bank. And I'll accept nothing less from you than rock-solid, unassailable factual proof.
I await your response...

again, mud slinging....follow the money and it is easy to see where it is going.
you keep falling into the trap..no proof, all you do is try discredit someone or groups that disagree with your theory...again i ask for the umpteenth time, give me the PROOF not theory and so called papers written by groups that have been disproved by others. where is the rock solid, hold in my hands proof???

Originally Posted by gugi

I'll have to disappoint you, this is the third or fourth time a thread like this was created in the last few months, and I've concluded that none of the posters has any interest or ability to read and evaluate a research paper. Plenty of research papers have been pointed out (from a link from TexasBob), so far I seem to be the only one who have read some of them.
This simply isn't the place where you can have a rational discussion. It's all based on propaganda and brainwashing.

Given the late hour and my past experiences when trying to have a rational discussion on this topic, I am constrained to agree with your point, except for the final sentence. I think it probably is impossible to have a reasoned discussion about something that everyone seems to be so "dug in" about. But I will say this: while I seem to have a very different point of view than many on this issue, I think those on both sides of the issue hold their respective beliefs with equal sincerity.

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

But I will say this: while I seem to have a very different point of view than many on this issue, I think those on both sides of the issue hold their respective beliefs with equal sincerity.

at least we can agree on that part of the debate...i guess a "thanks" would be in best interest on this point

Originally Posted by 59caddy

again, mud slinging....

Where is the mud? Not a single accusation or ad hominem. You must have a misunderstanding of what mud slinging is.

Actually, I maintain my position, if you don't understand where exactly in the research is the source of the split to the two opposing sides, then somebody else has made the decision for you and you have bought it based on mostly subjective factors. Note that scientific majority is sometimes pretty meaningless (e.g. for about 20 years nobody believed in the cosmic background radiation either, so they didn't bother to just make a measurement).

I've observed the arguments in these threads long enough and it's straightforward to notice you're buying or not the stuff like 'follow the money' based on whether it supports or contradicts your premade belief. And all 'data based' arguments have been purely superficial, which is understandable as nobody has read even five scientific papers on the subject to even begin understanding the complexity of the problem. The arguments presented have been based on cherry picked parts to construct the narrative you subscribe to, ignoring the ones that contradict it.

Now, if you believe there is nothing that contradicts your story, you're the very demonstration of a brainwash.

Originally Posted by gugi

Actually, I maintain my position, if you don't understand where exactly in the research is the source of the split to the two opposing sides, then somebody else has made the decision for you and you have bought it based on mostly subjective factors. Note that scientific majority is sometimes pretty meaningless (e.g. for about 20 years nobody believed in the cosmic background radiation either, so they didn't bother to just make a measurement).

I've observed the arguments in these threads long enough and it's straightforward to notice you're buying or not the stuff like 'follow the money' based on whether it supports or contradicts your premade belief. And all 'data based' arguments have been purely superficial, which is understandable as nobody has read even five scientific papers on the subject to even begin understanding the complexity of the problem. The arguments presented have been based on cherry picked parts to construct the narrative you subscribe to, ignoring the ones that contradict it.

Now, if you believe there is nothing that contradicts your story, you're the very demonstration of a brainwash.

Well said, Sir

Originally Posted by xman

Where is the mud? Not a single accusation or ad hominem. You must have a misunderstanding of what mud slinging is.

where are the facts, not one single shred of fact....i keep asking for the facts and not one of you gugi, xman, billyjeff and others give up nothing. you try and act like you are the only educated ones on here and look down your noses at the rest us, the great "unwashed". when all you do is try and discredit anyone that might disagree with your so called "papers"
the fact you always try to discredit and belittle anyone that has any questions about your so called science is the "mud slinging" that is the hard cold fact.
when you try to convince someone of your credibility, you do not try to destroy all others opinions. you lay out proof to help them try to understand your view. so far all i see is you and your compadres try to put down all opposition and destroy anything they do or say. sorry way of trying to convince others.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

where are the facts, not one single shred of fact....i keep asking for the facts and not one of you gugi, xman, billyjeff and others give up nothing. you try and act like you are the only educated ones on here and look down your noses at the rest us, the great "unwashed". when all you do is try and discredit anyone that might disagree with your so called "papers"
the fact you always try to discredit and belittle anyone that has any questions about your so called science is the "mud slinging" that is the hard cold fact.
when you try to convince someone of your credibility, you do not try to destroy all others opinions. you lay out proof to help them try to understand your view. so far all i see is you and your compadres try to put down all opposition and destroy anything they do or say. sorry way of trying to convince others.

You are mistaken. I invited us all to think more critically, myself included.
Mud slinging is a term referring to making unscrupulous attacks on someone. Exposing a hidden agenda is a valid means of uncovering BS.

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