Thread: The State Of The Union

Once again, Obama speaks and the Stock Market goes into the tank. Certainly not helping this particular middle class joe reach his goals.

I watched the rerun of it completely. I can honestly say he is the best orator to ever be president. The mention of promises and Hitler are not fair. Hitler was one of the most evil men in history. He was also extraordinarily intelligent and knew how to accomplish his objectives, this is where Obama fails. He is neither intelligent, accomplished, or capable of being a good president. You can't associate with tax cheats, thugs, or radicals and be an intelligent person. I figured Bush would have taught Americans that the president needs to be more than appealing and charismatic. As a result Americans have had 12 consecutive years of morons.
Obama is a liberal lawyer with very few personal accomplishments needed to be qualified to be president.
I for one hope it gets worse, because then perhaps Americans will quit voting for anyone in the two parties and vote for capable men. Men like Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, and Bill Clinton are men with great intelligence and more importantly, wisdom. They were not great speakers compared to Obama, but they moved the country forward and all three saw larger government as the problem (Clinton's was the smallest since Nixon). I do not have the answers, but I am certain that our president doesn't either. Come November he will be a lame duck when Republicans retake the congress. I will not support him in anything. If we survive the next three years without more very serious effects, I will be surpirsed. He is leading us to destruction and the liberal, naive people of this country are going to smile like kids on a roller coaster down the first drop. The diffeence is this coaster will not rise under Obama again. The sooner he I leaves will be the soonest time Americans can move forward. For those who believe in him or anyone in D.C. I admire you courage under hopeless conditions. Let the states have control again and life will be better. Until then you will see as they say in Texas that Obama is "all hat and no cattle".

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

What was arrogant about it?

Do you think it was a good idea that the Supreme Court gave corporations so much power?

Seriously? what was arrogant about it? Don't blame the current Court for giving the "corporations so much power." Blame our founding fathers and the Constitution. It is called freedom of speech. Further, chiding the Supreme Court Justices like they are children, and having your cronies all stand and jeer the third branch of our Government, was just completely out of line. It was even more out of line when Joe Wilson spoke the truth, when he told the President "YOU LIE!"

And so that we do not go off topic on this thread, have you read the decision? I will not discuss this decision with you until you do so, and such a discussion should be in a separate thread. not this one. This one deals with the state of the union address, and not this Supreme Court decision.

Originally Posted by Jasongreat

Then the day he made cuts to the military, he made a speech about the importance of national security.

I don't think that word means what you think it means:
FY 2009 defense budget: $578bn ($512bn base budget + $66bn for Iraq/Afghanistan)
FY 2010 defense budget: $663.8bn proposed, $680.2bn allocated ($550.2bn base budget + $130bn for Iraq/Afghanistan)

sources:
2009 budget: Defense.gov News Release: Fiscal Year 2009 Department Of Defense Budget Released

2010 budget proposal: Defense.gov News Release: DoD Releases Fiscal 2010 Budget Proposal

Originally Posted by treydampier

...The mention of promises and Hitler are not fair. Hitler was one of the most evil men in history. He was also extraordinarily intelligent and knew how to accomplish his objectives, this is where Obama fails. He is neither intelligent, accomplished, or capable of being a good president. You can't associate with tax cheats, thugs, or radicals and be an intelligent person. ....

So Hitler was intelligent because he was a thug and a radical but Obama is not because he hung around (and still does to some extent) with thugs and radicals? Is that what you are saying?
You might want to rephrase that.

Originally Posted by mhailey

Seriously? what was arrogant about it?

Ok I guess you can't answer the question.

Originally Posted by mhailey

It was even more out of line when Joe Wilson spoke the truth, when he told the President "YOU LIE!"

No it wasn't. It doesn't even compare.

Well I think it's pretty clear now you'll find fault in anything Obama does or says.

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

Ok I guess you can't answer the question.



No it wasn't. It doesn't even compare.

Well I think it's pretty clear now you'll find fault in anything Obama does or says.

Apparanetly you missed this part of my post: "chiding the Supreme Court Justices like they are children, and having your cronies all stand and jeer the third branch of our Government, was just completely out of line. " This is what makes it so arrogant. He put himself above the Constitutional third branch of our Government, and speaks to them like they are two year-olds. Obama has got ego to spare.

It is equally as clear that you have drunk the Kook-Aid, and will follow Obama to your, and your children's, deaths. There is nothing that Obama could do or say in which you would find any fault.

Originally Posted by treydampier

He is neither intelligent, accomplished, or capable of being a good president.

He's not intelligent? He graduated from Harvard. I guess that's easy to do especially when you're dumb.

And not accomplished? Becoming president of the United States of America is not an accomplishment?

Originally Posted by treydampier

Men like Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, and Bill Clinton are men with great intelligence and more importantly, wisdom.

Wisdom? You think Nixon had wisdom? He had to resign because of his actions.

Originally Posted by treydampier

He is leading us to destruction and the liberal, naive people of this country are going to smile like kids on a roller coaster down the first drop. The diffeence is this coaster will not rise under Obama again.

Destruction? How exactly is he doing that?

Hitler was an artist and hence attempted to create a work of art around him. He literally wanted to breed a society. Hitler knew what he wanted, how to accomplish it, and get others to support him without question. He was extraordiarily intelligent, otherwise he never would have lead Germany out of a depression, take Europe by storm, and succeed had it not been for the US and the Russians. Obama isn't smart enough to know what he really wants, hence he made broad principles for healthcare, yet wanted Congress to actually make it happen. Great presidents do it themselves and write their own bills since try have the Constitutional right to bypass commities and go straight to a vote.
Obama is not intelligent in my mind mostly because of his lack of academic accomplishments, association with thugs, and the fact he completely ignores the Americsn people.
Intelligent people usually separate themselves from those who damage their reputation. Obama makes them cabinet members.
This is my last post on the subject.
Thanks, feel free to pummel me for a lack of confidence in Obama. I'm still mad I didn't get my stimulus check yet.

Since I was the OP I have to say that after listening to commentary on last night's address this morning on the Diane Rehm show I was mistaken in characterizing the republicans as 'sitting on their hands'. They did stand and applaud at various times during the speech.

Also, I voted for Obama and if the election were held tomorrow with the same choices I would do so again without batting an eye. That said, I am not at all happy with his governance since the election.

Seems to me that he represents Wall St and big business rather than most Americans. As for the democrats.... I was a democrat all of my life but finally changed my voters card to "no party affiliation".

When the republicans were in the majority the dems were spineless wimps. Daschle and his ilk don't represent the people. They are wolves in sheep's clothing AFAIC. Republicans never represented working people and never will. The democrats used to but money .... the love of money being the root of all evil they succumbed to it.

The back room deals to pass this travesty of a health care bill that will enrich the insurance companies even more has been disgusting to see. There is no doubt in my mind that the elections coming up in November will see a republican majority return. Six of the eight years of the republican majority almost buried us. That may be the coup de grau if they get it again but the dems are as bad. We are in sad shape.

Since all of them are at least millionaires what do they know about struggling to pay the bills and keep a roof over your head ? About not having health care or having to work two jobs to barely make it ? It appears to me that it is a government of big business, for big business and by big business. Basically always has been though.
End of rant.