Thread: President Obama Q&A at the GOP House Issues Conference

Originally Posted by commiecat

Your avatar is Dean Martin SMOKING A CIGARETTE and I mentioned it while discussing drug addiction. Nicotine is one of the hardest addictions to break. Dean Martin died of lung cancer. That is the relevance.

This isn't personal -- if I ever met you I'd happily offer to buy you a drink over a discussion about anything but politics.

very well, i misunderstood your comment and apologize.
your comment about smoking is a good one. until dec 29, 2008 i smoked up to 5 packs daily. i quit cold turkey with no help from anyone or any rehab. if i can quit without anyone helping, then drug addicts have the same option.

i would gladly accept the drink and we could talk about a wide range of topics, including those nice straights you have on SOTD...

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

right just like Jesus shouldn't have wasted his time sacrificing himself to save you since it was your choice to sin.

who said i was a sinner?
furthermore we are all born of sin, we did not choose that. addicts choose to do so.

i still submit that this debate is about overspending what we do not have. i do not care what program it is or for who it is for. until we balance the books we should spend on nothing except the very basics of needs for the country to survive. i am sorry if that is harsh, but it needs to be so until we as a nation can afford it..
we cannot keep writing checks that we can't cash and endanger our very existence as a nation

There are some researches made in EU area about the costs of helping drug addicts to rehab. Researches have shown that it becomes cheaper in a long run for the society (=taxpayers) to help addicts than to not help them and leave them on their own. Of course there might be researches that tell different of course.

IMHO helping those who really want and need help and are not capable of helping themselves should not be a question of money only. Leaving people in trouble without a help is a shame.

Of course there is always a minority of people who misuse the system and aren't even willing to give up their addict but go to the clinics only because they are forced to do so. In this case there is something wrong with the law.

Originally Posted by Sailor

There are some researches made in EU area about the costs of helping drug addicts to rehab. Researches have shown that it becomes cheaper in a long run for the society (=taxpayers) to help addicts than to not help them and leave them on their own. Of course there might be researches that tell different of course.

IMHO helping those who really want and need help and are not capable of helping themselves should not be a question of money only. Leaving people in trouble without a help is a shame.

Of course there is always a minority of people who misuse the system and aren't even willing to give up their addict but go to the clinics only because they are forced to do so. In this case there is something wrong with the law.

there are a lot of social programs that i would not have a problem in funding IF we had the funds. the problem is that we are as a nation broke and just keep borrowing for any and all causes. this has got to stop until we gain control of our debt and spending. at the rate we are going, we will be asking for aid from other countries to help us survive.