Thread: President Obama Q&A at the GOP House Issues Conference

What? A person that goes to rehab is trying to help themselves.

I agree a person going to rehab is trying to help themselves but are they trying to help themselves stay out of jail, or get family members off their back, or to get off drugs. With the amount of people that relapse I would say not very many of them are there for the last reason.

It's nice how you think helping people is pointless spending.

Its nice how you think the only way you can help people is by spending money.

Why would you make a silly assumption like that? And you think people choose to get addicted?

I agree that was a silly assumption.
Here is where I am sure I will get the biggest disagreement: There is no such thing as addiction. It is an excuse people have invented to make themselves feel better, they dont want to quit but everyone else wants them to quit, so by coming up with this thing called addiction it allows them an out. Like, I really want to quit and am trying to quit but im addicted and I cant. On the otherhand there is definitely a thing called dependence, when a drug they have been ingesting replaces chemicals being made by their body they are dependent on the drug. There are as many or more "legal" drugs that cause dependence too though. The other thing is habit, we humans are creatures of habit and once we pick one up it is very hard, not anywhere near impossible, but very hard to break them.

They are taking responsibility by admitting they have a problem and trying to get help for it.

Not neccessarily, if they have been forced to be there, they are most likely concentrating on the evil done to them by those who sent them there, not the evil caused by their excessive use of drugs. Not saying they are right or wrong, just pointing out the realities, imo.

How is funding drug rehab supporting drug habits? It's the opposite.
If drug rehab helps one person it's worth it. I notice you have no better
solution for helping these people.

Its not, but it is supporting government institutions more than supporting drug users. Think about all the jobs that would be lost if the war on drugs ended tommorrow. No more drug testing facilities, no more narcotics cops, no more DEA, no more rehabs, less judges, less prosecutors, less jails(less construction jobs) and we could keep going it is like a spider web spreading all throughout the economy. Now everyone of those people whos job depends on the war on drugs and are basically government supported(even when a private buisiness), so they vote to save themselves not to save others only they would never admit it.

The taxpayers? You actually think the US spends that much money on funding drug rehab that the population would notice a difference in their tax payment if we stopped it?

I know a fair portion of taxpayers would feel it in their wallets, lots of those being forced to go to rehab, or are paying fines are taxpayers. Its not exactly thier tax payment but they are still losing money out of their paychecks that they could use for other things, like improving their life so they feel like they have something to lose and therefore choosing for themselves to keep their drug abuse at bay. And it is drug abuse and not abused by drugs, see the difference, one places the ownership of the problem on the individual, the other places the ownership on the drugs. Which has a better chance of changing the individual or an inantimate object? My vote is for the individual.

Originally Posted by Jasongreat

I agree a person going to rehab is trying to help themselves but are they trying to help themselves stay out of jail, or get family members off their back, or to get off drugs. With the amount of people that relapse I would say not very many of them are there for the last reason.

Why should it matter? If it gets them help then the reason for going is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Jasongreat

Its nice how you think the only way you can help people is by spending money.

I said nothing of the sort. I never said rehab was the only way. I'm just saying that removing it as an option isn't a smart thing to do.

Originally Posted by Jasongreat

Its not, but it is supporting government institutions more than supporting drug users. Think about all the jobs that would be lost if the war on drugs ended tommorrow. No more drug testing facilities, no more narcotics cops, no more DEA, no more rehabs, less judges, less prosecutors, less jails(less construction jobs) and we could keep going it is like a spider web spreading all throughout the economy. Now everyone of those people whos job depends on the war on drugs and are basically government supported(even when a private buisiness), so they vote to save themselves not to save others only they would never admit it.

Well this was about eliminating funding for drug rehab not ending the war on drugs.

Originally Posted by Jasongreat

I know a fair portion of taxpayers would feel it in their wallets, lots of those being forced to go to rehab, or are paying fines are taxpayers.

I don't see how this is related to eliminating funding for rehab.