Thread: HEEEEE'S BAAAAACK...

Originally Posted by Bruno

Well, As long as he doesn't start a pointless war somewhere, justified by lies (costing countless lives and a couple trillion dollars), Obama still comes out ahead in my opinion

What do you think his health care plan is, or will do?

The difference is wars end government programs are forever.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

What do you think his health care plan is, or will do?

To have every US citizen have health care?

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

To have every US citizen have health care?

I, for one do not want the health care and i do NOT want to pay for anyone else either.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

I, for one do not want the health care and i do NOT want to pay for anyone else either.

You don't want Health Care? The President isn't pushing Gov Health Care - a few ultra liberals are. The President is pushing reform and leaving it up to Congress to work out the details.

You're already paying for someone else's health care and I thank you each and every time I deploy

Originally Posted by wpfontenot

You don't want Health Care? The President isn't pushing Gov Health Care - a few ultra liberals are. The President is pushing reform and leaving it up to Congress to work out the details.

You're already paying for someone else's health care and I thank you each and every time I deploy

the president has stated over and over he wants a single payer plan and wants universal health care. i do not want it.

you being in the military and getting health care is totally different. you have earned it and i am glad to pay for it as i was taken care of when i was in the military

Originally Posted by 59caddy

the president has stated over and over he wants a single payer plan and wants universal health care. i do not want it.

Why? You don't think every US citizen should have health care?

It seems most European countries can get it done. Maybe they just care more about their citizens.

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

Why? You don't think every US citizen should have health care?

It seems most European countries can get it done. Maybe they just care more about their citizens.

I DO NOT CARE ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES AND THEIR HEALTH CARE!!!
furthermore where is it a right for everyone to have health care?
every U.S. citizen does not deserve health care when someone else has to pay for it again, since most who do not have health care are covered under many, many welfare programs.
also what about all the illegals that will be covered per Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed? they deserve nothing until they are legal U.S. residents.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

the president has stated over and over he wants a single payer plan and wants universal health care. i do not want it.

Are you sure? The Senator has said that.

Originally Posted by Washington Examiner

QUESTION: Mr. President, you've been quoted over the years -- when you were a senator and perhaps even before then -- that you were essentially a supporter of a universal plan. I'm beginning to see that you're changing that. Do you honestly believe that? Because that is my concern. I'm on Medicare, but I still worry that if we go to a public option, period, that the private companies, the insurance companies, rather than competing -- because who can compete with the government; the answer is nobody. So my question is do you still -- as yourself, now -- support a universal plan? Or are you open to the private industry still being maintained?

OBAMA: Well, I think it's an excellent question, so I appreciate the chance to respond. First of all, I want to make a distinction between a universal plan versus a single-payer plan, because those are two different things.

A single-payer plan would be a plan like Medicare for all, or the kind of plan that they have in Canada, where basically government is the only person -- is the only entity that pays for all health care. Everybody has a government-paid-for plan, even though in, depending on which country, the doctors are still private or the hospitals might still be private. In some countries, the doctors work for the government and the hospitals are owned by the government. But the point is, is that government pays for everything, like Medicare for all. That is a single-payer plan.

I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter because, frankly, we historically have had a employer-based system in this country with private insurers, and for us to transition to a system like that I believe would be too disruptive. So what would end up happening would be, a lot of people who currently have employer-based health care would suddenly find themselves dropped, and they would have to go into an entirely new system that had not been fully set up yet. And I would be concerned about the potential destructiveness of that kind of transition. All right? So I'm not promoting a single-payer plan.

Also, in 2007, when starting his run for president, Obama said, "I don't think we're going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There's going to be potentially some transition process."

In 2008, Obama refined his position a bit, saying that his previous statements in support of single-payer were based on the supposition that if the U.S were building a health care system from scratch, then he would favor single-payer.

He's a typical politician, but (since elected) he's not pushing universal health care - at least not in any concrete way. I'd admit I don;t know what happens in the back room deals (See acknowledgment of politician)

Hmmm... me thinks this is getting so far off track from the original intent of this thread that I will graciously bow out at this point and apologize for any inconvenience I may have contributed to

Originally Posted by wpfontenot

Are you sure? The Senator has said that.


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yes he has

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