Thread: America Rising

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

So who is going to save the day? Private Insurance companies?

Yeah, good question. I'm not so sure that the day needs to be saved by anyone.

Haven't you noticed that Obama and his supporters seem to like stirring up a panic? Creating a sense of urgency where no cause really exists? What better way to ram through legislation than when everyone is convinced that SOMETHING just HAS to be done. Not now, but yesterday!

Today Obama is using scare tactics announcing that if this health care legislation is not passed now the insurance companies win! Oooooo!!! They will take over and raise premiums 40, 50, 60%!!! Booooga-boooga-booooga!!!! Bad, bad, evil insurance companies!! Last month it was bad, bad, evil Wall Street. Next month? Who knows?

Yes, some changes are needed. But it seems to me that this emergency mentality is not conducive to rational thinking and decision making. Never was, never will be.

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

So who is going to save the day? Private Insurance companies?

Yup, these guys...
Insurer targeted HIV patients to drop coverage | Reuters


I don't think the day can be saved. All the options are going to have a real down side. There is no longer such a thing as cheap, quality health care. We can do better than we have been though.

Jordan

Originally Posted by honedright

Yeah, good question. I'm not so sure that the day needs to be saved by anyone.

Haven't you noticed that Obama and his supporters seem to like stirring up a panic? Creating a sense of urgency where no cause really exists? What better way to ram through legislation than when everyone is convinced that SOMETHING just HAS to be done. Not now, but yesterday!

Today Obama is using scare tactics announcing that if this health care legislation is not passed now the insurance companies win! Oooooo!!! They will take over and raise premiums 40, 50, 60%!!! Booooga-boooga-booooga!!!! Bad, bad, evil insurance companies!! Last month it was bad, bad, evil Wall Street. Next month? Who knows?

Yes, some changes are needed. But it seems to me that this emergency mentality is not conducive to rational thinking and decision making. Never was, never will be.

I actually agree with you. What they are contemplating now is not going to solve the issue of increasing costs. That's really the problem and the current bill won't address it to any great degree. The whole model needs to be re-aligned. That will take time and a realistic assessment of our priorities.

Jordan

Originally Posted by honedright

Yeah, good question. I'm not so sure that the day needs to be saved by anyone.

Haven't you noticed that Obama and his supporters seem to like stirring up a panic? Creating a sense of urgency where no cause really exists? What better way to ram through legislation than when everyone is convinced that SOMETHING just HAS to be done. Not now, but yesterday!

Today Obama is using scare tactics announcing that if this health care legislation is not passed now the insurance companies win! Oooooo!!! They will take over and raise premiums 40, 50, 60%!!! Booooga-boooga-booooga!!!! Bad, bad, evil insurance companies!! Last month it was bad, bad, evil Wall Street. Next month? Who knows?

Yes, some changes are needed. But it seems to me that this emergency mentality is not conducive to rational thinking and decision making. Never was, never will be.

Right. It's just the Obama supporters who are "stirring up a panic", "creating a sense of urgency" and "using scare tactics." Nobody on the right has ever done that.

Originally Posted by commiecat

Right. It's just the Obama supporters who are "stirring up a panic", "creating a sense of urgency" and "using scare tactics." Nobody on the right has ever done that.

If we pay attention to whats being done instead of excusing it in the manner you have we may actually get somewhere instead of chasing our tails in a panic.

Originally Posted by JMS

If we pay attention to whats being done instead of excusing it in the manner you have we may actually get somewhere instead of chasing our tails in a panic.

You're kinda disregarding my various posts explaining and questioning "what's being done" and choose to focus on my one jab at a hypocritical statement. Hypocritical for the anti-reform side in general, not specifically honedright.

We can throw around false accusations and talk about socialism and governmental takeover of our health system, and that's just fine. I make a joke at the expense of Fox News and then we all have to simmer down and pay attention.

Yeesh.

Originally Posted by commiecat

You're kinda disregarding my various posts explaining and questioning "what's being done" and choose to focus on my one jab at a hypocritical statement. Hypocritical for the anti-reform side in general, not specifically honedright.

We can throw around false accusations and talk about socialism and governmental takeover of our health system, and that's just fine. I make a joke at the expense of Fox News and then we all have to simmer down and pay attention.

Yeesh.

I never read nor do I remember those posts of yours that I did read.

I wonder if you got my point?

Originally Posted by jnich67

I actually agree with you.

wwwhat!!????

Just for the case of conversation, and little off topic as well. We've gotten used to tell in this forum what sucks in the U.S health care. I think everyone has an opinion, at least for what shouldn't be done. The conversation gets fruitless if no better opinion is offered. It is easy to make a big noise about a) government, b) big business being a guilty here, but how should it get arranged? Who deserves a health care plan?
For the rest of us folks that come from countries where health care, in our opinion, works quite ok, it would be enlightening to hear what is wrong in our system, say in Canada, Australia and EU? Of course it has some downsides, but it would be nice to know why our system sucks or at least wouldn't work there. Are we here missing something? And no reason to be polite. Just honest opinions.

Originally Posted by Sailor

Just for the case of conversation, and little off topic as well. We've gotten used to tell in this forum what sucks in the U.S health care. I think everyone has an opinion, at least for what shouldn't be done. The conversation gets fruitless if no better opinion is offered. It is easy to make a big noise about a) government, b) big business being a guilty here, but how should it get arranged? Who deserves a health care plan?
For the rest of us folks that come from countries where health care, in our opinion, works quite ok, it would be enlightening to hear what is wrong in our system, say in Canada, Australia and EU? Of course it has some downsides, but it would be nice to know why our system sucks or at least wouldn't work there. Are we here missing something? And no reason to be polite. Just honest opinions.

I like the idea but you should probably start a new thread.