Thread: Mexico and the Drug Wars

Originally Posted by matt321

This link was pointed out to me and I found it very interesting and educational. So I thought I would post it here for your perusal:


Mexico and the Failed State Revisited | STRATFOR

Good post....
As bad as I have discovered drugs to be (I am a child
of the 60s) I believe the current war on drugs AND the
immigration laws are creating a situation that erodes
the rule of law.

The massive number of people and the large sums of money that
flow outside of the law fuel law outside of the law and are
generating very serious social problems with global scope. From
Mexico, to the Middle East and Asia we in the world risk much
more than the moral majority folk understand.

We can start at home and establish a culture of awareness
and responsibility.

If you see a friend taking up smoking tobacco advise
them to not. If you can quit do quit. If you try to quit and cannot
count to ten and try again. If you feel compelled to offer
a smoke to a friend consider that as innocuous as it feels it is not
without negative health issues.

Same with alcohol, do not pour a double unless asked. Do not
let friends and family drink and drive. Drive then drink is different...

Same for other social 'drugs' that funnel money outside of the
law and buy guns and foment discord and terror around the world.

And yes my Dad passed from cancer and was a life long smoker.
Yes my Mom suffered emphysema for years on years before she
passed and was also a long time smoker. So yes I have a bias.

Some states could balance their law enforcement budget
by legalizing marijuana. However many jobs would be lost
and the unions involved have an issue with that as does the
bureaucracy that supports the prisons and other systems
involved.

there is no war on drugs it's a war on you.

Originally Posted by AnarchoPhil

there is no war on drugs it's a war on you.

You may be more correct than you know.

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Ah, my friend, the drug problems would disappear, but I think the funding for the drug war, the massive amounts of cash pumped toward that activity along with the bloated legal system benefiting as Kelly pointed out would dwarf any amount the U.S. government would take in if drugs were legal and taxed.

IMO the government won't legalize drugs, not because they couldn't handle it, implement it, tax it, etc. And, not because the government would be morally opposed to it (now THAT'S a laugh!!!). It all comes down to MONEY. Stop drugs? Heck no. Keep em commin in is the behind the scenes motto.

Chris L

Criminals are a very enterprising lot and humans have many vices and they will be there to exploit another and it will all start again with a war on something else. So have no fear.

If junkies had a prescription, then by logic they wouldn't need to rob people like you and me to pay cartel prices.

I heard that cat Gary Johnson say today that weed needed to be legalized so that it could be taxed, controlled and regulated... I had laughed at that.

The state can't do any of those things now.



What he meant to say, was that weed should be legalized so that the state can tax, control and regulate YOU more. I am in favor of decriminalization which means, cops stop jacking people up for being in possession of a plant and everyone that is in jail now gets out. Shrink the police state. That will do more for the economy than "taxing, controlling and regulating".

I'm not too optimistic about that happening though because the state never entertains the idea of cutting spending on anything.

The State says, "What? Save money? lol that's something our parents and grandparents talked about but it doesn't work lol" "we need to spend money to stimulate the economy like a giant clitoris" "the free market needs government to help out every now and then" "laissez faire economics never works even though we've never tried it" "the war on drugs is a jobs creator, look at all the police we've hired" "we do it for the children: you don't want to live next to a pig farm do you?"

Originally Posted by AnarchoPhil

I am in favor of decriminalization which means, cops stop jacking people up for being in possession of a plant and everyone that is in jail now gets out. Shrink the police state. That will do more for the economy than "taxing, controlling and regulating".

I would be in favor of decriminalization and Pot really couldn't be controlled by the government, it is weed, it grows anywhere but I wouldn't release a sinmge person from prison over it.

The people in prison aren't there for possessing pot or selling pot, they are there because the broke the law of the land, even if what they did is no longer a crime, when the did it and were caught it was, they will always be guilty of having broke the law.

Episode 222 of this podcast is the single most thought out and detailed indictment of the War on Drugs I have ever heard. Whichever side you're on, you will learn something you didn't know before.

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Interesting article. Thanks for posting.

I believe that neither the Mexican government nor the U.S. government would like to see a day when when the "drug war" ceased to exist. Both feed off of it like a coke laden teat and use the "fight" as a funding stream all the while putting on a charade of an anti-drug position. The U.S. government doesn't really want to win the "war on drugs" any more than drug users want their supply to go away.

No one could convince me otherwise.

Chris L

Don't forget, it also lets them pass more laws to gain more power and control of your life... though the whole domestic "war on terrorism" has shouldered most of that burden lately. But its always good to have a fall back position.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

Personally I vote for legalize drugs.

But if we are going to give amnesty to all these illegal Mexican citizens in this country the other option would be to make all Mexicans citizens of the US by rather than just attacking the cartels just taking over the country lock stock and barrel. Of course they tell me that imperialism has gone out of fashion so we probably won't do anything at all. We will just sit and stew and wring our hands like whiney little children.

+1 here. That is the only way to get rid of the problem. We should have the guts to admit we'll never win the war on drugs. Prohibition failed as well. Alcohol is at least as dangerous a drug as many illegally produced substances.