Thread: There are predators among us

Well, I was held up at gunpoint in an off licence in Pyrford in Surrey, and you dont get any more quiet than Pyrford! Its basically a little home counties village and the most trouble you usually get is the odd yobbo on a scooter.

After that experience, I'm all for concealed carry and home defence. I wasnt before, but I sure as heck am now! You're right, there are some nasty pieces of work out there.

Take care Jimmy, and stay safe.

All the best,

Stu

Originally Posted by Stubear

Well, I was held up at gunpoint in an off licence in Pyrford in Surrey, and you dont get any more quiet than Pyrford! Its basically a little home counties village and the most trouble you usually get is the odd yobbo on a scooter.

After that experience, I'm all for concealed carry and home defence. I wasnt before, but I sure as heck am now! You're right, there are some nasty pieces of work out there.

Take care Jimmy, and stay safe.

All the best,

Stu

I am so sorry to hear that Stuart. Where I live we have concealed carry ability. Over the last 7 or 8 years, they have given out thousands and thousands of licenses. We have never had a single incedent invovling a person with a concealed carry permit. I support with all of my being your rigtht to a concealed carry and ability to defend yourself.

I live in a very nice quiet neighborhood as well. Two days ago a 13 year old girl was walking home after getting off of the school bus and a man in an old red van started following her and video taping her. She started to run and he sped up, but she eluded him in some back yards. People have had enough of this and are not going to take much more.

David

Originally Posted by Rmaldon240

That is an unfortunate incident. My heart goes out to the families of the victims.

If you haven't read Lt Col Dave Grossman's piece on Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs... you should.
On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman

Be alert.

I found that article to be rather poor. I should not have laid my previous post at Jimmy's feet but read this:

"...I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?" "

This is the what I was referring to. I have been scared shitless on many occasions. One needs more than a gun to protect himself and those around him.

There was a show on Fresh Air with Terry Gross where she was interviewing a woman who was in a McDonald's IIRC when a deranged individual came in and started shooting. The woman's mother and father were among those killed. She also regretted that although she had a concealed carry permit she was unarmed. I don't remember the state in which this occurred.

It was a relatively rare occurrence fifty years ago. Charles Whitman is a name most of us know above a certain age. We remember him because what he did was so outrageous and uncommon. A shooter went into a McDonald's in West Palm a couple of years ago and killed a dozen or so people before the police arrived and shot and killed him. I couldn't tell you his name. This a couple of blocks from the bicycle shop I frequently hang out in.

This sort of thing is so common now that we are desensitized to it. Recently there was a special on about the St. Valentines Day Massacre. It made headlines around the world, many movies have been made and books written on it. If someone mowed down 7 men in a garage nowadays I doubt it would make page 1 in the local newspaper. It ain't getting better out there.

When I was still in the Army and stationed in Oklahoma there were two different occasions in which someone in my unit was shot. One was shot in the head in a drive by at a local bar. Never even made the news. The other occasion was in a night club where a man was escorted out by two bouncers. The man re-entered the club with a hand gun and fired eight shots, two of them hitting one of my NCO's in the leg. Again, nothing mentioned even in the local paper.

My apologies for being unclear once again. I messed up the quote from Rmaldon's source. which I shall repair.

The regret IME should be for doing nothing, not the regret of forgetting the gun.

Kevint, I don't like that article...... I LOVE IT.

In My Experience no one ever needs a gun...until they REALLY need a gun.

I have been in my fair share of confrontations and I have never regretted the fact that I was able to use whatever amount of force was necessary to keep myself and those around me safe.

I will say that anyone that walks around armed should be very proficient in the deployment and use of their weapon.