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07-15-2010, 02:46 PM #141Senior Member
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very true...sorry i didnt mean to say that the tackle to the chest was fair.
i just meant that stuff like that may happen sometime and like i said before accidents happenShaving_story on Instagram
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07-16-2010, 05:07 AM #142Vlad the Impaler
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Nope, intent is VERY relevant in soccer, hence the yellow card. If a player comes sliding in to kick a player for instance, instant card....if a player comes in sliding to kick the ball...no foul. A good ref. can usually tell the difference.
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You see that through orange goggles.
Intent is irrelevant with a strike of that nature. De Jong admitted himself that he was lucky to get a yellow.
The only reason he didn't get sent off was because it happened so early and it would have been at least 60 minutes of 11v10.
Accidents happen in every sport and football is no exception. I THINK (I don't know for sure offcourse) that the kickER was in this case about as surprised as the kickEE.
As for my orange goggles. Sorry man. I didn't even watch the whole game. The only reason the TV was on that channel was my wife (she like football, used to play it as a kid). I don't care one bit that the dutch team lost. I mean...I feel sorry for the players because they really felt they had a chance this year. But other than that...who cares. It's only a game and a game that I don't really like to watch.
"Orange goggles" is an easy copout, kind of easy like "The ref. was on the side of the other team"
So...try to get to know a bit more about someone before you accuse them of having a hidden agenda.
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07-16-2010, 05:06 PM #143BF4 gamer
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I didn't accuse you of having a hidden agenda. :P Originally Posted by LX_Emergency
Dutch fans blame the loss on no-calls and defend De Jong's yellow card. Everyone else in the world seemed to see their flawed tactic of trying to get physical and agree that they should have played most of the match with 10 men.
I did not say that intent was irrelevant in soccer, only that it's irrelevant in a shot that vicious. Sorry, the only reason he wasn't sent off was because it was early in the final game. Every player knows the risk of kicking high, including De Jong.
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07-16-2010, 05:48 PM #144Vlad the Impaler
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Another correction....SOME dutch fans blame it on that. There are actually a LOT of dutch fans that simply say "Spain was the better team". Originally Posted by commiecat
Ask the referee that did ya?I did not say that intent was irrelevant in soccer, only that it's irrelevant in a shot that vicious. Sorry, the only reason he wasn't sent off was because it was early in the final game. Every player knows the risk of kicking high, including De Jong.
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07-16-2010, 05:55 PM #145BF4 gamer
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No different than your conversation with De Jong about what his intent was. We're both convinced of our thoughts and that's fine. Originally Posted by LX_Emergency
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07-16-2010, 06:40 PM #146Vlad the Impaler
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Nope, not convinced of mine. Just not convinced of yours either.
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07-17-2010, 02:54 AM #147Super Shaver
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Let's see that again, Alex.
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07-17-2010, 06:02 AM
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Sorry man, still not convinced. Yes, it COULD be that...but just because it could be doesn't mean it IS.
Weird things happen in a sport. And I still think it's possible (at LEAST as much as the other option) that this was an accident.
A nasty accident? yes. Painfull? Yes
done to take the other player out? I don't know. I can't crawl into the mind of the men who it happened to. But I think most football player intend to play fair. Besides....I don't think anyone is stupid enough to think that the ref won't notice that. Which only adds to the likelyness that it was an accident.
07-17-2010, 11:31 AM
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Having looked at the clip above, you have to admit that his foot was nowhere near the ball. He wasn't even aiming for the ball. His leg just kept going forward towards the chest instead of upwards to the ball or (if he realized he couldn't make it)down to a safe level.
You cannot claim intent when he was clearly not even trying to hit the ball.
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07-17-2010, 02:10 PM
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He was very lucky not to get a straight red. I thought at the time that it was because the ref didn't see it clearly. There were, in my eyes, certainly times in the first ten to twenty minutes when Howard Webb didn't card players for fear of having to reduce the sides to 9 against 11 before half time. I thought, and think, that the Netherlands were fortunate to have more than 9 players on the pitch at half time, fairly sure that they wouldn't have if it had been an English Premier league game.
For me, it wasn't so much horror at the tactics employed against Spain as it was disappointment that the Dutch side didn't think that they had enough to win the game and just went out to spoil and try and nick it. Had they have played to their strengths I think they may have taken it (of course they may have got a good hiding too). Anyway, see you in four years (I hope).
