View Poll Results: What is the Tea Party

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  • Tea Party: We the people finally standing up to the government

    23 48.94%
  • Tea Party: A bunch of racists/nationalists that need to be silenced

    9 19.15%
  • Tea Party: Just the Good old boy club rebranded

    9 19.15%
  • Tea Party: something I play with my daughter and her stuffed animals

    6 12.77%
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    Quote Originally Posted by nizdog View Post
    There is an excellent article in FT on the subject:

    FT.com / Comment / Opinion - The Tea Party will prove transient
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopCat View Post
    Have to agree to disagree with your contention that your son in laws premiums jumped $200 due to covering the 34 million uninsured Americans, who currently rely on emergency room visits for their safety net. And seldom are hospitals paid for these visits. How much does a trip to the emergency room cost? On average six times more than a traditional doctor's office visit. Hospitals increase their rates substantially to pass this cost on. The currently insured are pocketing the entire cost of this insanely inefficient system through higher health care premiums. It stands to reason to me that if we can lower the cost of health care for 34 million Americans by six times, we might just benefit. Also, the 34 million currently uninsured who are able to pay, are required to pay premiums under the new bill. This much larger premium/actuarial base should have a positive effect on lowering insurance costs. Only the truly indigent would not pay premiums.

    Sounds to be have copied straight from the "Anointed One's" speech book
    Sorry,,, but the numbers are not bearing out that way... no matter the spin the numbers never lie...
    So yes I do agree to disagree

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    True dat

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    Quote Originally Posted by nun2sharp View Post
    Just as BO and Pelosi are the faces of the Democrats party.

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    I like the cut of your jib

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigspendur View Post
    Just consider the reason Govt got so big. Was it because the President at the time decided to expand for fun or to make himself more important? Look back through the 1800s and you will see the sad state of affairs in this country. The Govt expanded to deal with services demanded by the people and abuses private corporations subjected the people to because they knew they could get away with it.

    All the people who want smaller Govt love the idea until the smaller Govt has a detrimental effect on them and then it's a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gssixgun View Post
    Sounds to be have copied straight from the "Anointed One's" speech book
    Sorry,,, but the numbers are not bearing out that way... no matter the spin the numbers never lie...
    So yes I do agree to disagree
    In regard to the healthcare remark of the 200$ per month...
    My contribution to healthcare is about 200 euro per month. Total. Including dental. Some people pay less. Others pay some more. It depends on your gross income. I am middle class.

    Anyway, Given that we have a sustainable healthcare model that provides quality care, it is safe to say that the inclusion of poor people is not the root of the problem. Rather, imo the problem is that a) care is made too expensive because 'the insurance company can pay' and b) there are tons of insurance companies who are in it for increasing quarterly profits and c) everybody needs additional expensive insurance for the risk of getting sued.

    It's amazing how cheap you can make quality healthcare if only the providers and care givers make a profit and the insurance is provided at cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riooso View Post
    The Dutch can't afford the welfare system that they have.
    Actually we can.....we just can't afford the government we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gssixgun View Post
    Sounds to be have copied straight from the "Elected One's" speech book
    Fixed that for you. :P

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    Beck is a paid entertainer, so is Palin if they don't speak and stir up the masses Beck loses his spot , I think Palin just loves the attention. I think this country needs to meet in the middle agree on some issues then tweak it by reasonable discussion instead of media BS. Its easy to yell and holler and call opponents names to attract attention to oneself. How about we stop treating politics like hype from pro wrestling, take a more mature approach and get down to solving the problems this country faces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gssixgun View Post
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    bah. Membership.

    I used "view source" from the tool bar in my browser and grabbed the code of interest. I'll pull all the text out and post.

    The Tea Party will prove transient

    By Michael Lind

    Published: October 19 2010 21:52 | Last updated: October 19 2010 21:52

    Major losses for the Democrats in November’s mid-term elections are widely expected, with Republicans predicted to recapture at least the House of Representatives. No matter what the final tally is, instant analysis will proclaim that American politics has been transformed by the Tea Party movement. But the instant analysis will be wrong.

    New American political movements come in two varieties: genuine third-party movements and those that just mobilise the base of one of the existing parties. The former transforms an existing party system; the latter reinforces it. And the Tea Party is an example of the latter – so while it has attracted a great deal of attention, it has little long-term potential to transform America’s political landscape.

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    Okay,
    I finished rooting through the code and cut out all the crap. Here is the text of the article.

    Major losses for the Democrats in November’s mid-term elections are widely expected, with Republicans predicted to recapture at least the House of Representatives. No matter what the final tally is, instant analysis will proclaim that American politics has been transformed by the Tea Party movement. But the instant analysis will be wrong.

    New American political movements come in two varieties: genuine third-party movements and those that just mobilise the base of one of the existing parties. The former transforms an existing party system; the latter reinforces it. And the Tea Party is an example of the latter – so while it has attracted a great deal of attention, it has little long-term potential to transform America’s political landscape.



    America’s stable two-party structure flows from an electoral system, inherited from Britain, with a built-in bias against third parties. Such parties, when they do occur, are often short-lived vehicles that introduce a new issue or ideology, fading away once one of the major parties has co-opted its concerns. In the words of the historian Richard Hofstadter, “Third parties are like bees; once they have stung, they die.”

    Insurgent ideological movements, such as the Tea Party, can play the same role. The conservative movement won the Republican nomination for its standard-bearer, Barry Goldwater, in 1964. In the same way members of the antiwar, culturally liberal new politics movement triumphed in mid-term elections in 1974, following the defeat of George McGovern in 1972. Crucially, whether organised as third parties or insurgents, such factions go on to transform one of the two parties, and thus the political system.

    But movements that only mobilise the base of a party do not have that effect. Instead, they increase turnout, and thus may shift control of the government. This is what happened when the Republicans last won a significant mid-term victory in 1994, under the leadership of Newt Gingrich. That win marked an advance for the Goldwater-Reagan right but not a new departure. Democratic victories in 2006 and 2008 also benefited from the passion of Democratic partisans.

    In the same way the Tea Party represents an energised Republican base. There is a high degree of overlap between those who say they identify with it and conservative Republicans. Polling in September, for instance, found that 71 per cent of Republican voters now support the movement. Elsewhere the movement has been backed by conservative media, while its icons – from Kentucky senate candidate Rand Paul to potential Republican presidential nominee Sarah Palin – are conservatives or libertarians, rather than genuine populists. Its denunciations of big government and high taxes are also indistinguishable from mainstream conservatism.

    In short, the Tea Party is best thought of as an energetic revival of Goldwater-Reagan conservatism. Its adherents are angry for the same reason that Democrats were angry between 2001 and 2007: their party is out of power. There is a persistent tendency in the commentariat to get this wrong, by casting the Tea Party as pitchfork-yielding populists at war with elites of all kinds. Indeed, it is often asserted that economic downturns produce waves of populism. But the Tea Party does not fit the profile, even if, like all partisan movements outside of power, it employs anti-establishment rhetoric. Polls show its sympathisers are more wealthy and educated than most Americans. Their decision to make the government – rather than Wall Street – the object of their anger would also be inexplicable if they were a genuine populist movement.

    The result is that in the near term, the Tea Party’s potential to reshape the political landscape will come only from imposing a new orthodoxy within the Republican party. The expected Republican majorities in the House will be even more opposed to tax increases and further stimulus spending between November’s mid-term election and the presidential election in 2012. Congress will be more polarised and more paralysed. The movement may also impose new litmus tests on candidates who aspire to the Republican presidential nomination. Already Indiana governor Mitch Daniels, widely considered a possible candidate, is under attack for suggesting the need to consider either a value added tax or a gasoline tax to deal with the budget deficit.

    If slow growth and mass unemployment persist, genuinely novel forces may arise to shake up American politics. But not this year. In the long run the Tea Party is likely to fade into demoralisation and recrimination, as its anti-statist ideology collides with the realities of 21st-century big government. In time it may even be viewed as the last gasp of Goldwater-Reagan conservatism. The coming gains will bring dramatic changes in policy and personnel. However, to interpret them as evidence of a lasting realignment will be to misinterpret, as political climate change, what is only a tempest in a Tea Party.

    The writer is the policy director of the economic growth programme at the New America Foundation

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    Heres a video that, imo, is quite funny. Enjoy!

    YouTube - Andrew Klavan: The Extremists are Coming!

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