Thread: Wikileaks: Good or bad?

Originally Posted by richmondesi

Jim,

By the way, I'm not a fan of Fox News at all, but don't dog them while holding up such bastions of objectivity as the BBC and Al Jazeera.

Slghtly OT: No news outlet is perfect but I do think the BBC is far more objective and neutral than most.

Claude

Originally Posted by Claude

Slghtly OT: No news outlet is perfect but I do think the BBC is far more objective and neutral than most.

Claude

Maybe they've shifted course since their internal document revealing admitted left-leaning, anti-christian bias was revealed. You could well be right.

I personally look the Wall Street Journal and The Economist most often.

Sorry for the sidebar

Originally Posted by richmondesi

Maybe they've shifted course since their internal document revealing admitted left-leaning, anti-christian bias was revealed. You could well be right.

I personally look the Wall Street Journal and The Economist most often.

Sorry for the sidebar

Well the right accuse them of being left-leaning and the left accuse them of being right-leaning. Christian groups accuse them of being anti-christian and muslim groups accuse them of being anti-muslim, etc, etc.

On that basis I think they must be doing something right.

Agree on the Economist. Good source of information and news.

Claude

Originally Posted by Claude

Well the right accuse them of being left-leaning and the left accuse them of being right-leaning. Christian groups accuse them of being anti-christian and muslim groups accuse them of being anti-muslim, etc, etc.

On that basis I think they must be doing something right.

Agree on the Economist. Good source of information and news.

Claude

No, the BBC's journalists admitted to the bias a few years back. They had internal documents leaked where some of their "stars" were discussing it. A quick google search will reveal what I'm referencing. Like I said, they may have shifted course since then, I admittedly stopped relying on them in a similar fashion as I have Fox News, so I can't say for sure...

Originally Posted by richmondesi

No, the BBC's journalists admitted to the bias a few years back. They had internal documents leaked where some of their "stars" were discussing it. A quick google search will reveal what I'm referencing. Like I said, they may have shifted course since then, I admittedly stopped relying on them in a similar fashion as I have Fox News, so I can't say for sure...

Glad you're getting your news from a source with no bias !

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Glad you're getting your news from a source with no bias !

you caught what I was saying, right? Maybe I should have completely spelled it out and said "I stopped getting news from them like I stopped getting news from Fox News" because that's the meaning I intended

Originally Posted by richmondesi

you caught what I was saying, right? Maybe I should have completely spelled it out and said "I stopped getting news from them like I stopped getting news from Fox News" because that's the meaning I intended

AFAIC they are all like my Grandfather said when I was ten years old. "Believe half of what you see and nothing that you read." NPR, like the BBC, says that conservatives complain because they think NPR is too liberal and "progressives" claim NPR is too conservative. They showed what they are with the Juan Williams firing. The media is agenda driven on either side and fairness and objectivity in reporting is rare nowadays if it ever existed at all. Am I cynical ? Hell yes, I'm 62 years old, I'd be a fool if I wasn't.

Originally Posted by NoseWarmer

Welcome to the Internet

Paul, as for BBC, I have found it remarkably fair handed. The "Leaked memo" you mention, after investigation, turns out to be a fabricated story by the Daily Mail (a tabloid newspaper) quoted at length by several Christian sites. The conversation was live streamed on the web and the discussions were balanced--the websties in question obviously had an agenda, and took no concern over the fact that the line "

Al Jazeera is biased, but their bias is clear and the analysis is coming from sources that are not covered in typical western media sources.

My problem with FOX, apart from the bias, is that they report things that are factually false; provably and definitely contrary to fact, and they do so in support of their agenda.

I TRIED to find quotes from members of this administration saying that this leak would lead to real threats--I found quotes form Senator John Kerry, who has not read the cables. I found quotes from Former President Clinton ("I wouldn't be surprised if people lost their lives.") and I found quotes from Sarah Palin. Nothing of what I found was in any way indicative of a real threat to human life caused by these cables.

What I have seen is outrage over the insult to dignity and embarrassment caused by the security failure. I've seen no reason to believe anything other than that there are a lot of embarrassing revelations, but no secret security information.