Thread: Gallup Poll: 4 in 10 believe man created by God 10,000 years ago

Originally Posted by MykelDR

I find it difficult that you equate the scientific advances that have been made in the last 300 years (and effectively sully the credibility of these innovative minds who ultimately excelled and brilliantly advanced us.. most often in defiance of extreme opposition from religious factions) with the unsubstantiated and juvenile (as far as our species as a whole is concerned) wish thinking that is every organised religion on the face of the earth.

Science is what it is and to even attempt to put it on the same level as 'faith' smacks of desperation. It is performed under controlled conditions and the hypotheses are tested and re-tested until proven and thus documented.

I welcome the day anybody, whether they be scientist or religious leader, can prove the hypothesis of the existence of any one deity (of the many to choose from) but I dare not hold my breath.

Religion will never, ever find itself in a position to claim such an esteemed position as science, chiefly because it has no way to prove it's ...ahem... hypothesis.

More importantly (to me anyway) it is yet to answer any of the many abhorrent charges that have arisen against it over the years relating to a plethora of crimes against humanity.

These, gentlemen, while easily and readily springing to mind, are too numerous to list. And I am too much of a gentleman to list them.

Science easily trumps religion on every level. My two cents.

Regardless, I wish you all great shaves.

Faith has nothing to do with religion. It is a state where you trust in something without actually seeing it.

I find it sad that you see the words religion and science in one sentence and have an allergic reaction to it.

I didn't say ANYTHING about either being more true, in fact I stayed as neutral as could be trying to think instead with a clear mind. Not with all those premonitions.

I have faith in certain scientists. I have never seen the idea that I have "genes" or a "genetic makeup". Yet I trust the people that have done the research. I have FAITH in their research. That is the definition of faith that I was putting forward.

Your accusations of religion as the major crime causer also leaves a bad taste in my mouth because we both know that argument can swing both ways. (for example, MAO wasn't very religious, or Stalin...how many were murdered again in the name of their "scientific" beliefs?) It is a straw argument and one meant to insult.

You swing words like "juvinile" and "sully the credibility" around as if the fact that they are fancy words covers up the fact that they are intended to insult and demean. You're one of the few to do that in this thread.

Many have brought facts and ideas to the table and have done so well, even when one doesn't agree with someone else doesn't mean they have to go around insulting people.

Welcome to my ignore list.

Originally Posted by LX_Emergency

Faith has nothing to do with religion. It is a state where you trust in something without actually seeing it.

I find it sad that you see the words religion and science in one sentence and have an allergic reaction to it.

I didn't say ANYTHING about either being more true, in fact I stayed as neutral as could be trying to think instead with a clear mind. Not with all those premonitions.

I have faith in certain scientists. I have never seen the idea that I have "genes" or a "genetic makeup". Yet I trust the people that have done the research. I have FAITH in their research. That is the definition of faith that I was putting forward.

Your accusations of religion as the major crime causer also leaves a bad taste in my mouth because we both know that argument can swing both ways. (for example, MAO wasn't very religious, or Stalin...how many were murdered again in the name of their "scientific" beliefs?) It is a straw argument and one meant to insult.

You swing words like "juvinile" and "sully the credibility" around as if the fact that they are fancy words covers up the fact that they are intended to insult and demean. You're one of the few to do that in this thread.

Many have brought facts and ideas to the table and have done so well, even when one doesn't agree with someone else doesn't mean they have to go around insulting people.

Welcome to my ignore list.

1. Faith has EVERYTHING to do with religion. Without faith religion would cease to exist.

2. No allergic reaction to the simultaneous mention of religion and science... merely the equation of the two.

3. I never said religion was a major crime causer. But I insist all religions need to take responsibilty for the crimes committed in their name, for which most of them have yet to do so.

4. My public school vocabulary has not been utilized to insult or demean anybody. I voiced my opinion on religion as a whole. That is all. It is a pity you are insulted. I cannot help that and never intended to do so.

5. Indeed, many have brought facts to the table in this thread. Some very well. I appreciate YOUR contributions. Thoroughly enjoyed all your posts. I LOVED Jimmy's post re 'Numinous' (though I am of the belief that one should be careful as to how the concept should be emotionally utilized). Still, none enough to convince me of the existence of any deity.

I still wish you great shaves